Loading ...Democratic Congress’ ObamaCare Enjoys Sudden Surge In Popularity
Now, don’t get me wrong — the ObamaCare proposal needs some fine-tuning and tweaking before you’ll catch me attempting to sell it “as is” to our readers, on the other hand, it’s better than nothing, which is about what we’ve got right now. Yeah, I’m not crazy about the penalty for those who refuse to or cannot purchase their own PRIVATE health care insurance but most of the other provisions of the Senate version of the bill are a vast improvement over the way underregulated free-for-all we call a “health care” system today. You may disagree — in fact, I’m positive half of the readers of this site do, but hey, that’s what the interractive comments section is for after all.
A six-point surge in popularity is nothing to sneeze at, folks, and yep — PUN INTENDED. Looks like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama and the rest of the left leadership is making more headway than the above-mentioned pundits, which just goes to show you the old adage, “You catch more flies with honey” carries some weight after all.
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Other Voices: The usually skeptical Allahpundit of Hot Air (Right) seems to feel this news will point toward a Republican Congress in 2010; The always brilliant Andrew Sullivan of The Daily Dish (Center Right) points out the fact that The Huffington Post and Howard Dean do not always represent the “liberal base“…
I’m not overly against the idea of health care reform, but the government is putting so many rules on it. First off, individual states should be allowed to opt out of it if they want to. Secondly, the whole fining me if I don’t have health care rubbish is just out of this world crazy. Get rid of that and I might, just might, be somewhat supportive of the idea.
@Jacob, By the way my friend, this is not health care reform. You should look up the meaning of that before using the terminolgy. This is a redistribution process, with a 500 billion dollar price tag and will negatively affect more people than it positively affects. Get your facts straight.
@Aaron,
Loving the absolutely unnecessary hostility.
@Jacob, Unnecessary hostility??? I didn’t by any way, shape or form mean that to be a “hostile” remark. All I am saying is do the research, because there are too many people who don’t, and that is exactly why America is in this atroscious mess right now. This is going to absolutely demolish health care as we know it. I am not saying that it is by any means perfect right now, and there is a need for health care REFORM, but this is not the way to go about it. The last time I checked, I live in a democratic republic, not a socialist controlling country. This is a socialist movement, and there is no debating that fact.
@Jacob, Hey, Jacob! Glad you saw quickly how this site brings out the kindness and courtesy in everyone. You can feel the love oozing out, can’t you? There is a long joke/story with a point to it about a bird, cow, and cat. The short of it is the bird is freezing and the cow craps on it and saves the bird’s life with the warmth, a cat digs it out and kills it. The point is not everyone who dumps on you is trying to hurt you while not everyone that pulls you out of a mess is trying to save you.
Aaron may have been dumping on you but really, it is out of concern for the betterment of you and all America.
For years, the left has been preaching that good health care is right, like free speech and the right to vote. If health care is a right, why is it that we are being forced to pay for it? Just doesn’t seem right.
This is one of the most corrupt pieces of legislation I have seen in all of my days as a formerly proud American. Paying off senators to pass a piece of legislation that will end up financially crippling more Americans than it helps is completely outrageous. The fact the this president spoke about beating the SIG’s is just as outrageous, as there was a massive support movement from groups like the AMA(which astounds me), private insurance companies, labor unions, etc. speaks volumes about the lack of character of this president. I myself, am a health care employee, and I know this is going to devastate my profession, and the reimbursement, however little it is already, to the point where myself and my co-workers who got into health care to help people, will be in jeopardy. Supporters of this legislation need to do a little bit more research on exactly what is being offered before you go and hold it on a pedastal, because if you were in my position, you wouldn’t be so thrilled.
Monday Night Blogosphere Roundup : Stop The ACLU // Dec 21, 2009 at 11:14 PM
[...] on this unpopular healthcare bill. The rest of their strategy is to continue to blame Bush. That my liberal friends are actually celebrating this based off one modest bump in a CNN poll brings the optimism up [...]
Monday Night Blogosphere Roundup | Right Wing News // Dec 21, 2009 at 11:39 PM
[...] on this unpopular healthcare bill. The rest of their strategy is to continue to blame Bush. That my liberal friends are actually celebrating this based off one modest bump in a CNN poll brings the optimism up [...]
The health bill is by no means perfect, but there is a lot of content in that bill that attempts to protect the most vulnerable and find a different way of delivering health care that could save some money. Unfortunately with all the attention focused on the public option, age of those covered by Medicare and of course abortion, far too little attention has been given to these other important changes. You don’t get 2000 pages simply for a corporate handout to the insurance industry as some are claiming.
If you read the link GTL provided while 40 percent think the bill is too liberal…..
A vast number disapprove of the bill anyway.
A vast number disapprove of the bill anyway.
Hey remember the Democrats claimed that Obama elected with a 55 percent plurality of the votes was a MANDATE…MANDATE…elections have consequences……55 percent is HUGE…its a MANDATE…its a license to do what they want.
WELL
56 percent say NUT UH!!! This health care bill stinks!!!!
The democrats say……………F*** YOU!! So 55 or 56 percent only matters when they say it matters.
The party of perpetual poverty is finding more and more ingenious ways to take our money and I find it insane that GTL a libertarian is not fighting this tooth and nail.
But I digress.
Revealed last night…in this health care bill that REID wont let anyone READ.
National long term health care is provided as an option. SWEET…thats nice….Ah Shucks that government is so nice.
Heres how our benefactors have it working….
YOU pay premiums for 7 years….YOUR PAID UP FOREVAH!!! So if you pay at age 21 at age 28 your paid up the rest of your life………SWEET…them democrats are so nice to us folks.
There is only one minor problem….This is another UNFUNDED government program in which the government is going to take THIS money and use it for something else WHILE BEING COMMITTED TO PAY FOR YOUR>>>YOUR>>>>YOUR>>>>>long term health care.
and the spin is…this is not government take over of health…YOUR HEALTH….
This is those swell democrats looking out for the folks.
yeah…till we have no money left to pay for anything….dont think it can happen? Just look at the USSR who thought it swell to pay for everything.
Okay they taxed EVERYONES high cost insurance in the bill sent to CBO for analysis. But after it comes back…they drop the exemption for LONGSHOREMEN.
Do I have to say more.
Montana, Utah, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota get much larger percents of their MEDICAIDE paid BY YOU>>>THE TAXPAYER because…well it was the only way to get Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota’s vote and Wyoming and Utah just happen to fall into the identical interpretation of the amendment.
Nebraska NEVAH…EVAH has to pay for any Medicaide insurance….EVAH! It was the only way to BUY Ben Nelsons vote for this….
Stupid egregious bill.
Acorn gets funded no matter what.
This provision is what BOUGHT Roland Burris vote.
GTL…heres one that should make your Libertarian blood boil.
In essence the run amuck Tyrants called democrats have done something that people are questioning its constitutionality of the entire bill. They are saying that it will take a super majority of 67 Republicans to EVER repeal this vote.
They have learned well from California’s debacle.
When Tyrants rule we get tyrannical laws.
Just a couple of items.
The personal responsibility mandate within the Senate Bill. The mandate is required in order to increase the risk pool. Increasing the risk pool with a population that’s skewed towards the healthy will naturally lead to lower premiums. Consult your actuarial risk formulas if you don’t believe me. Currently every man, woman and child in this country is on the hook for $300 per year for the cost of unreimbursed care. Yep you are already paying that. You don’t have to believe me you can look it up yourselves. The GOP proposals of opening interstate commerce, repealing the anti-trust exemption, and tort reform, while notable, would not lead to the cost savings many seek, and would do nothing to extend health care to America’s working poor, and would do nothing to affect the risk pool. The cost of malpractice suits represent about 3% of all health care cost, and the profit margins of healthcare insures are about 2 to 3%. Now if you’re going to believe that insurers would cut their profit margins to 0% then the combined effect of all the GOP proposals would be a whopping savings of $177.00 per year per capita. Wow, $177.00 per year is certainly worth the effort of pushing that through congress, especially considering it would do nothing to cover the cost of unreimbused care. The GOP proposal, if you really want to call it that, leaves Americans in the hole, and does nothing to affect the risk pool. What one can guarantee with the GOP plan is that after that initial $177.00 per year, cost would continue to move upward, more healthy people would drop coverage, and the risk pool would decrease and skew towards the most ill. That would be the colossal failure of either doing nothing or just enacting the GOP proposals. And as far as the GOP proposal for high risk pools, ok, now we are on to something. According to the CBO, rates for employers with the 50 employee or less segment could see a drop in premium price from 7 to 10%. That’s pretty good actually, that is until you realize that’s the only cost savings measure of import and that it only represents a small segment of the population and after you take away the 11% increase in premium cost health insurers were already planning we are left with just another 1% savings or $3 per capita. Not so encouraging. For the rest of the population the GOP plan would have a negligible effect
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_39/b4148030880703.htm... See More
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS137490+27-May-2009+PRN20090527
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4968&type=0
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2009/September/17/Malpractice.aspx?referrer=search
http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10705/hr3962amendmentBoehner.pdf
Please notice none of my references are partisan
Specifically to “Doomed”:
An election result is FAR different than a poll. Election results represent the will of the people, polls however, represent the will of the pollster (as some have noted with this CNN poll or like Reagan said “polls can say anything”). Since America doesn’t have plebiscites we have to depend on the election results to tell us how government should run. So until the right gets a chance to reveres course in 2010 and/or 2012, we are just going to have to go with what they said in 2008.
@Ferris, Ferris
So based upon your will of the people line of reasoning, when Bush was reelected in 2004 the people should have just shut up and let Bush continue the war?
Is that what the will of the people was in 2004?