Enemy Within Warned U.S. Army About The Enemy Within Long Before Fort Hood Massacre…
Okay, a few days ago, I joined President Barack Hussein Obama and many others in calling for a pause in the immediate aftermath of the Fort Hood, (Killeen) Texas mass murder and even criticized Texas Senator Kaye Bailey Hutchison and Fox News anchor Shepard Smith for immediately jumping to the conclusion Major Hasan just MIGHT be one of those terr’ist types. Now that the evidence is mounting in support of the far-right knee-jerk reaction the first time they learned the murderer had a Muslim surname, I’m ready to say — BOO, HISS, Major Hasan. And BOO, HISS, United States Army, Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) for sitting on your collective “hand” as a terr’ist sympathizer was allowed to not only LURK, but to SERVE amongst thee while touting his anti-American and pro-Islammofascist beliefs while serving in uniform (The Washington Post). What in the HELL were all of you TLA’s (Three-Letter Agencies) thinking? Why in the HELL didn’t you stop this pathetic excuse of a “man” from senselessly murdering his fellow Army Soldiers anyway? Why are we even spending our hard-earned tax dollars on your sorry asses? I need some answers, please?
To his credit — the Major had a few good points — most law enforcement professionals would call them “rock solid warning signals” but then again, not everybody is an LEO, correct?
From The Washington Post article previously referenced:
The Army psychiatrist believed to have killed 13 people at Fort Hood warned a roomful of senior Army physicians a year and a half ago that to avoid “adverse events,” the military should allow Muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors instead of fighting in wars against other Muslims.
As a senior-year psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, Maj. Nidal M. Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a medical topic of his choosing as a culminating exercise of the residency program.
Instead, in late June 2007, he stood before his supervisors and about 25 other mental health staff members and lectured on Islam, suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting in the Muslim countries of Iraq and Afghanistan…
Okay — this is when or about the time the TLA’s and Army “brass” began to raise an eyebrow. “Keep watching him”, they told each other. And keep watching him they did — as he gunned down around fifty of our nation’s bravest. This speech was given at Walter Reed months and months before Major Scumbag did his deed. Where were the authorities? Their hands were tied by “political correctness”, thanks to Democrats…. AND their hand-in-hand cohorts — the Republicans. If you think any different, you are either on mind altering drugs or need some given you by a COMPETENT psychiatrist.
As a member of the United States Military who has had the pleasure of serving in “The Desert” side-by-side with American troops of the Muslim faith, I can tell you I am one pissed off guy, thanks to Major Hasan and his ilk. There are plenty of U.S. troops who practice Islam and I’ve never met a single one who wouldn’t give their life for America. Then again, if I ever did meet such a clown; Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or otherwise, I’d probably just skip the TLA’s and frag ‘em myself in order to skip all the “red tape” after seeing this crappola play out.
This is simply RIDICULOUS. FIX IT, taxpayers and American voters. Otherwise, it’s just bound to get worse.
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6:45 am on November 10th, 2009 1
I would agree. For the first time in a long time I have to agree with much of what you said GTL. However what are your recomendations on fixing it.
I agree it needs to be fixed but the consensus that Im seeing from other sites is that fixing it would require stepping on politically correct toes and the day we became politically correct in the DaYum Military was the day that all reason stopped in America.
SJ Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 7:47 am
@Doomed,
Agree. Hard to argue with the GTL here.
I think the question to be answered is this. We created a huge intelligence bureaucracy (Homeland Security Dept and all) to facilitate the sharing of intelligence. Is it working? We have foiled several plots, so overall perhaps it is. That said, the system seems to have failed here, bigtime.
7:41 am on November 10th, 2009 2
ABC News uncovered the fact that US intelligence agencies knew of Hasan’s attempts to contact AlQaeda operatives for months prior to the Fort Hood massacre. It isn’t known whether they alerted the military. Hasan also made anti-American comments to his colleagues, which apparently were ignored.
This is sad but now it makes me wonder if the good major was not under surveillance in a manner in which the government was actually trying to use him to uncover operatives in the USA.
I am starting to believe that this guy was actually under deep scrutiny but no one could predict he would do something like this. More likely they were thinking hes gonna build a bomb, hijack a plane or something spectacular as is al qaeda’s op.
Im not excusing the government for letting this happen but rather its now starting to become clear to me that they were indeed watching this guy in hopes that he would lead to a bigger intell haul.
Unfortunately for many Americans who lay in coffins right now….they were caught totally off guard and with their pants down.
11:15 am on November 10th, 2009 3
Can’t say you’re wrong, because you aren’t really. Can’t say you’re right, because you are’nt really.
Which might have been the “medical topic of his choosing” since his area was pschaiatry, and was giving his observations on it.
“Knee-jerk reaction”??? How about “first approximation based on available evidence?”
1.) Arab last name
2.) Follows Isalm
3.) Bad performance review
4.) Transfered from Walter Reed
5.) About to deploy
All that was available very shortly after the cowarly attack. It wasn’t real hard to draw that line. AND most that I read were hedging with lines like ‘I hope I’m wrong, and the guy just snapped, but it looks like…”
I think this is a case like the cop who knows someone is up to no good, but has zero solid evidence to stop him. As you pointed out the o, so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive p/c social engineers would have had a field day with the Army if it had done anything that hinted that they might be profiling him, or in some way singling him out because of his religion or ethnic background.
From what I have read so far about his communications with the muslem holy man (ever wonder why all the thugs are ‘holy men’, all the places used for munitions caches are ‘holy cities’ and the mosques used as bases for attacks are ’sacred (or ancient) shrines?’) seem to have been spiritual questions, not about jihad or attacks. If I write to the head of the Dogs of God asking about the <em?filioque, it doens’t mean that I’m trying to restart the Spanish Inquisition (The Spanish Inquisition!), does it?
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
@Joe Lovell, I need to add – there is no way that Muslems could qualify for C/O status. The history and teaching of the major sects is full of exhortations to war. He could have applied to serve the rest of his time in McMurdo Sound.
And I’ll go along with David and Vego on slapping you about
. This is a damend if they do, damned if they don’t. If they fight against the o, so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive P/C Dems, they get labled as racists, misogynists, homophobes, crackers, bigots, rednecks, and all the left wing pundits keep hammering out those hate filled words. Look at the outrage from the left when a middle eastern looking guy gets stopped and searched at an airport, and it turns out that he was acting nervous and anxious because he needed to use the head and couldn’t find one. “Racist! Profiling! Bigot! Prejudice!” and more hate crime legislation gets written. But you gotta search someone who looks like Mauareen O’Hara because she just might be a convert to Islam (now, that is one job of frisking I wouldn;t have minded doing)
11:27 am on November 10th, 2009 4
This whole, “pause” and be “sensitive” IS THE FREAKING PROBLEM and the reason we have 13 dead at Ft. Hood. There needs to be a wake-up call in this country and especially in the White House…these people are THREATS to our lives and way of life. Kick them out, throw ‘em in Gitmo or kill every last one of them!
11:32 am on November 10th, 2009 5
“Their hands were tied by “political correctness”, thanks to Democrats…. AND their hand-in-hand cohorts — the Republicans. If you think any different, you are either on mind altering drugs or need some given you by a COMPETENT psychiatrist.”
Umm, I believe YOU need the psychiatrist…most Republicans I know would have been fine with water-boarding this piece of human excrement! It is mostly those on the left that wet themselves over “diversity-training”!
11:33 am on November 10th, 2009 6
WAKE UP, this wacko wasn’t stopped before this tragedy for the exact same reason that you went off on Shep Smith and Fox news and conservatives in general for their “knee Jerk” reaction. The progressives don’t have the balls to look evil in the face and call it evil, and when a conservative does they are labeled racists or bigots by the overwhelmingly incorrect
party of political correctness.
4:50 pm on November 10th, 2009 7
It’s time for the U.S. army to start putting a little more effort into mental health: http://blog.psaonline.org/2009/11/10/put-up-or-shut-up/
5:26 pm on November 10th, 2009 8
Islam aside… This is the second or third such incident this year involving a lone soldier turning his guns on his fellow soldiers. This is actually the first such attack that I remember where the assailant was Muslim.
The problem, as I see it, exists more with the way the U.S. military is screening for mental health issues and other warning signs. And I also remember Robert Gates promising us that he was going to crack down on it after the Camp Liberty massacre.
And then I read that Fort Hood itself is no stranger to poor mental health screening and treatment. In one case, a soldier who was suicidal was ordered to redeploy.
There’s something seriously wrong here and has been wrong for a long time, and it’s sad that it took a “ZOMG TERRORIST!” version of this happening for folks to really care about it.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
@Alabama Moderate, I can recall 5 or 6 in the past few years, some in the US, some overseas. I think in 3 of those the thug was Muslim.
Doomed Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
@Joe Lovell, The guy that killed the recruiter in Arkansas was a Muslim convert.
5:43 pm on November 10th, 2009 9
Most US Muslims don’t believe in forcibly converting non-adherents. According to a 2007 Pew Research Center survey, only 33% of American Muslims believe that Islam is the one, true faith leading to eternal life, and even then, a full 60% believe there is more than one true way to interpret the teachings of Islam. 63% do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society. 78% of US Muslims say they are “very happy” or “pretty happy,” and an equal percentage say that the use of suicide bombing against civilian targets to defend Islam from its enemies is never justified.
Certainly we should be concerned about the small percentage that believes in violence or forced conversion, but this does not justify fear or suspicion of all Muslims.
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
@skylights, I don’t know how to verify the statistics you give, but if they are true, I am shocked! “…an equal percentage say that the use of suicide bombing against civilian targets to defend Islam from its enemies is never justified.” Quite frankly I doubt this survey, but if so then 22% of United States Muslims will admit on a survey that suicide bombing against civilians are sometimes justified.Lord, I hope that is a lie. You aren’t talking about the desparate and starving from Yemen or brainwashed in some Madrassa in Iran. You are saying nearly 1 in 4 U.S. Muslims openly admit (how many think it and not admit it?) that targeting civilians may sometimes be justified.
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
@Mike 300 Spartans, I found it. Wow, 60,000 surveyed. You are right about the report, here is what should be a link:
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf
skylights Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 5:25 am
@Mike 300 Spartans,
It was not an either/or question. The choices were Often, Sometimes, Rarely, Never, or Don’t Know/Refused. From the text: “Overall, 8% of Muslim Americans say suicide bombings against civilian targets tactics are often (1%) or sometimes (7%) justified in the defense of Islam. Muslims in France, Spain and
Great Britain were twice as likely as Muslims in
the U.S. to say suicide bombing can be often or
sometimes justified, and acceptance of the tactic
is far more widespread among Muslims in
Nigeria, Jordan and Egypt.”
This is a disturbingly high number, even if it is a small minority. But my point was that US Muslims are mostly moderate, much more so than almost any other Muslim population in the world.
6:07 pm on November 10th, 2009 10
By the way – Happy 234th, MARINES!
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Alabama Moderate Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
@Joe Lovell, And now all I can think of is what a pita it must be to have to wash all that off.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
@Alabama Moderate, LOL, my first thought was “OK, where the hell does she get the balls to wear the stripes of Master Gunny?”
8:40 pm on November 10th, 2009 11
I’m afraid I just don’t see how political correctness played any part in this. Especially considering that the armed forces are the least “PC” organizations outside of biker clubs.
Even without that salient detail I don’t see any empirical or logical rationale behind claiming that political correctness had anything to do with this. Unless you can present documents that show there were those that wanted to act but were held back by higher ups for the express reason of being “PC” or fearing media backlash then what you are doing is jerking your knee in reaction.
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
@FillipPhry, I think you may have a valid point about “PC” not having a part in it. But I’d take issue with you on a couple other points. Could you explain what you mean by the military being so non-PC. In my opinion, the military has been a leader, not a lagger in social change. For example, areas around military bases tend to be more diversified communities and businesses in areas near military installations learned ahead of other areas that discrimination against ethnic groups could get them on a banned list that changed their attitude in a hurry.
FillipPhry Reply:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
@Mike 300 Spartans,
I make a distinction between un-PC and discriminatory. The armed forces are known for frank talk among traditionalist testosterone fueled males with lower and lower-middle class backgrounds. In my experience that is a formula for producing talk unconcerned for how it might be perceived. Talk of stereotypes used openly in comedy and anger, etc.
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 12:18 am
@FillipPhry, Ok, I get where you are coming from on that. It also raises another angle on this case about watching out for warning signs. If everyone I heard that said things like: “I hate the f***ing Army” or “I could just shoot so-and-so” during the eight plus years I was in, started getting investigated and/or monitored, it would probably take half the military to watch the other half. Now with the frequency and intensity of deployments, I can only imagine what percent of soldiers during a bad mood or bad day said something that would be considered a warning flag. Thanks Phry for your comments.
vegofish Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
@Mike 300 Spartans, I totally disagree Mike, this man was not confronted about his beliefs in time to save these soldiers, even though he had revealed his disturbing views to a number of people, solely due to political correctness. His views were NOT scrutinized BECAUSE he was a Muslim. In reality, his stated views, coupled with the fact he is a Muslim should have raised all kinds of red flags, but in this age where the ACLU will ruin your life for “offending” someone and due to pervasive PC we are not allowed to consider all the facts of a given situation, but only the ones that will not be offensive to any group or individual, then we might as well accept that these things will happen.
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
@vegofish, You “might” be right that he was not scrutinized because of the very fact that he was a professed Muslim. I think it would be hard to prove that, particularly so soon after the event. Someone isn’t likely to have written a report saying: Possible threat, investigation is dismissed because subject is Muslim. Also I have the belief that the military is a little more shielded against the ACLU than a private company and thus less worried about the ACLU coming after them. I have been wrong before on this very thread, I was wrong when I doubted the 78% of Muslims would always find terrorist attacks against civilians unjustified. I still can’t believe the percent is that low.
1:16 am on November 11th, 2009 12
I think everyone would agree that most Muslims are good, industrious, intelligent people and do not want to inflict harm on others, regardless of their religious persuasion. That discussion just removes the focus from the more important discussion – that is, ALL radical Muslims believe it is their duty to kill non-Muslims, especially Western Christian non-Muslims.
Anyone who can be reliably identified as a “radical Muslim” is a threat to U.S. citizens in this country and elsewhere.
“Radical Muslims” are not the only threat, but they are a serious and real threat that the U.S. must take seriously. If we don’t, we will lose the War on Terror. Of course the first step in losing the War on Terror is denying that it exists, as the Obama “administration” has done.
Mike 300 spartans Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 2:08 am
@Fandb, Well said F&B. I’m sure the administration isn’t about to accept that an act of terrorism occured during their watch on our soil, so regardless what ends up being found out, the case is already closed, it was an act of a mentally ill individual, not an act of terrorism.
8:03 am on November 11th, 2009 13
GTL, Mike and all the other veterans on this board:
THANK YOU for your service to our country.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:13 am
@SJ, Amen.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
@Joe Lovell, hmmm…..The Corps forms on 10 November. The Central Powers surrender on 11 November. Coincidence??? hmmmm…..
vegofish Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
@SJ, here! here!
3:02 pm on November 11th, 2009 14
> I think everyone would agree that most Muslims are good,
> industrious, intelligent people and do not want to inflict harm
> on others, regardless of their religious persuasion.
I would not agree with that, and I see this kind of thinking as part of the problem.
I have no idea what “most Muslims” are or are not.
I’d bet my last dollar that most people don’t know what they would or would not do, till confronted with a particular situation.
Most religious people I’ve known can “snap” and go all god-bot at the oddest moments, and often to justify or cover up their own personal failings, or to get power of various sorts, often twisted.
So no. I have no idea what “most Muslims” are, or think, or do.
We’re in an era where this sort of thinking has got to stop. People should be required to EARN such good regard, through their actions. Not be handed to it unquestioningly.
When you’ve got an adherent of a religious sect who is contacting terrorist religionists in his faith, who has admitted that despite taking an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, he ABROGATES that oath…
…then I don’t care what his religion is. He needs to be dealt with swiftly.
The PC that is causing the problem is in the administrative ranks of our military. The push to be a Kinder Gentler More Sensitive military.
Fandb Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 10:20 am
@Molly Pitcher, “Everyone” was too broad of a word, I should have said something like “Most people” or “all rational people”. My bad.
4:03 pm on November 11th, 2009 15
I’m not really here to comment on this post today…Been way to busy to come out and play with you boys, but I did want to send a heartfelt, THANK YOU to you, GTL, and to every other Vet who reads this blog.
Happy Veterans Day!
Now, it’s time to end this madness and BRING EM ON HOME.
Peace to you all,
Kaye
Fandb Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 10:18 am
@Kaye Harris, I would agree that we should “bring em on home” ONLY as long as we do so VICTORIOUSLY.
vegofish Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
@Fandb, With this CIC, we better just bring them home alive my friend.
Fandb Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
@vegofish, I just saw that O’bummer decided NOT TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF ANY OF HIS GENERALS regarding Afghanistan. You may be right Vegofish.
I guess O’bummer decided that David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel know military strategy better than our military leaders. Or maybe he’s getting his marching orders from Osama.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
@Fandb, Another site has this. The writer is a retired Navy pilot, I have a feeling he was a four striper. http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009/11/12/we-dont-have-a-plan-we-just-dont-like-yours/
4:15 pm on November 11th, 2009 16
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