“What Keeps You Energized, GTL™? How Can You Keep Doing This For Years And Years On End?”, Some Ask. The Money? Give Me A BREAK. Here Is Your Answer…
Personal emails? Oh, SURE I get them. All you’ve got to do is click on my picture in the first Right-Hand column and whatever you type in there will go directly into my inbox. I normally get no less than four or five of these per day; mostly right-wingers chewing me out, some left-wingers chewing me out, and, of course, the typical scammer who wishes for us to place his or her link on our homepage for free with a promise of a link back. Normally, in the case of the latter, the so-called “trade-off” isn’t even worthy of an intelligent response.
Once in awhile, however; there is a private comment worthy of publishing even though until today, I’ve never done so. It’s hard to explain but being the privacy advocate I am, and despite the fact that EVERYBODY is duly warned via our official privacy statement, any and all direct communications are subject to being published, I’ve chosen to steer clear of excercizing my rights as a publisher… until NOW.
Folks — it’s for THIS reason I keep on bloggin’ on and plan to keep on bloggin’ on until I can no longer type. Thank you from the bottom of my ice-cold heart, Camilo (surname kept private as per my judgment)…
Camilo:
It’s a pleasure to read your blog.
I truly didn’t realize we had people on the left with this way of thinking. All my life I have been an idealist. Since my college days I have always believed things can be resolved through diplomacy.
It wasn’t until recently when as an adult I saw how some people on the right will never change, and how dangerous and hatefull they are, that I realized my peace loving ways only get you so far. You can’t talk sense into some people. Generally us liberals are seen as tree hugging, community organizing, vegeterians or gays…and I started to say to myself…”im not a f****** pussy, and if these crazy nuts on the right are going to own guns I need to own a gun too”. I have the right to protect myself and my family from nuts out there.
Anyways, I also am a bit let down with the tameness of the Democratic Party. Always, trying too hard to be moderate and not sticking agressively to our core ideals. Lately, Im starting to feel under seige by the hard right and I want to reach out to like minded individuals to stay in touch, share ideas, and if necessary organize to defend ourselves and our beliefs.
I have yet to buy my gun but I’m in the process of looking. I too am a Gun Totin liberal! If you have any organizations or books you could recommend I would highly appreciate it. I’m reaching out looking to educate myself on liberal news and stay connected with people that share my agenda.
Señor Camilo, my Liberal (capital “L” on purpose) brother and fellow Citizen — thank you for your response. It is people like ourselves who will one day reform the Democratic Party and/or dump it altogether in favor of a TRUE Liberal party. Your answer is to stay here, engage in the commentary allowed here and continue to give your Congressfolks and Senators HELL when they fail to represent you, their Constituent in the manner you believe is warranted.
Oh, and one last thing, my brother — here is a great resource for you to learn how to arm yourself against the far-right, “Timothy McVeigh”, “Ted Bundy” and “Eric Robert Rudolph” types of G.O.P.’ers who would wish to inflict harm upon yourself and your loved ones (thank God, many of ‘em are kickin’ up daisies right now, right?):
Be Blessed and please join the party (small “P” on purpose)…
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7:30 am on November 5th, 2009 1
I love you, GTL. Keep on blogging. If you’re getting chewed out by both parties, that only means that you’re doing things right. Your cause is just. And I support you forever although we may not agree on every little thing. I’ve got your back from all the way in Texas.
Speaking of which, I want a gun too…
Keep up your good hard work!
TIX!!
The GTL™ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
@virgomonkey aka ticklebug![](http://guntotingliberal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=)
, Tix, don’t be such a stranger, my friend. Great to see you again and good luck on your gun hunt 
9:54 am on November 5th, 2009 2
I certainly appreciate a well written emial, and understand “purpose” as a critical factor for our “why” in life. Yet I have to respond to several of Camilos’ comments. “Dangerous and hateful” is a term that can be applied to “liberals”(small l on purpose), and certainly doesnt apply to most “conservatives”. Ever heard of Reverand Wright? He’s not hateful towards whites? Dangerous, like Obama leaving our troops in harms way as his dithers away? Bill ayers, that “peace loving” old liberal hippie bombing a building….huh? As thoughtfull as Camilos’ email may be, it is full of the standard sterotypes that continues to drive a divide between AMERICANS, who purposely label themselves into ideologies…liberal/conservative, etc…
Do I view “liberals as tree hugging, community organizing, vegeterians or gays”, as Camilo claims most on the other side do…? Sure, some are, just as some conservatives a “rich fat cats”, another classic sterotype. As the GTL, I am neither fat or rich, and I could care less if Camilo likes to hug trees, organize midnight basketball games, or eat granola bars.
What I care about is the control government extends into my life, what it now takes from my every declining income, and what it proposes to further take to “spread the wealth around”. Dangerous?, you want dangerous, listen to Robert Reich, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, as they reshape a once great country based on freedom and the pursuit of happiness. Yes, you may need a gun Camilo, but not to protect yourself from “right wingers”, but from your own government….
10:28 am on November 5th, 2009 3
CLD, if you knew me you would know I’m the farthest thing from a guy that stereotypes. I’m not stereotyping when major organizations on the right like the Minuteman, the Tea Party Express, the KKK (the minuteman and the tea party express by the way is where the KKK meets during the day) and many other smaller and worse militia throughout the country are arming themselves. They are showing up at rallies about “Health Care” wih rifles on their shoulders like some tribesman in the middle east or the wild, wild, wild west…Where is the civility? These people dont want to debate, they want a civil war. NO MATTER what we do, many of these people will never like and worse ACCEPT our right to share or run the country. My point is I no longer want to try to reason with these type of people, and as a person that has spent his whole life promoting peace and reason, I now promote arming ourselves. My point is for every Bill Ayers on the left, there are 1000 more like him or worse on the right. I hate labels and I wish I didn’t have to use them. I’m a social democrat and fiscal conservative…I vote on the left, and on the right, because I vote for the man or the woman. CDL, I also share your desire for smaller government…if Ron Paul wasn’t so socially conservative on some issues, I could support him more, but I support many of his policies…but I digress. I dont see MOST of the right as gun toting hate mongers…ofcourse not. I know there are millions out there who are willing to reason and coexist with us. However, I’m afraid there are millions, maybe in the tens of millions among them that dont share that view. Every day their rhetoric gets more alarming, more threatening, and I’m not going to sit here touting peace, love and happiness when millions wish us dead. Yes wishing illegal aliens and gays or pro abortion people dead is like wishing me dead. I’m not any of those but I stand with all their causes, and my second point is that for the past decades, the left has not been militant, not like the right, and maybe it’s time we are. Please dont get me wrong, I absolutely 150% do not wish for a civil war, I just dont want to stand by with my hands tied until it’s too late. When the Jews were persecuted in Europe, they all thought “reason and civility” would save them…until it was too late. I’m not going to risk that, and until the millions on the right tone down their rhetoric I need to amp mine.
For the people, by the people
CR
SJ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
@Camilo Rodriguez,
“if Ron Paul wasn’t so socially conservative on some issues, I could support him more”
Dude, seriously, if you REALLY REALLY want a small Federal Government (i.e. a major priority) – what are the key social beliefs of Ron Paul that are holding you back? What would Ron Paul do socially that is so bad? Social issues like Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness play pretty well with me!
11:18 am on November 5th, 2009 4
This guy represents the first solid evidence of the need for gun control that I have seen in years.
11:56 am on November 5th, 2009 5
Vegofish, not sure I follow you but I do not represent why we need gun control. The only reason I want a gun its because millions of crazy people own one. They are the ones why we need gun control. If tomorrow legislation passes that would implement strict testing/training/and or limitations on guns I’m all for it. If guns our outright banned to all civilians I may be even for that. However, I don’t think the 2nd amendment is going anywhere so until then I’m arming myself…I don’t want to be the guy that brought a knife to a gun battle lol!
vegofish Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
@camilo rodriguez, So this is the voice of reason huh GTL? “I would support an all out ban on guns, and I don’t know anything about them, and don’t really understand there place in society, but I am going to go buy one so I can feel strong and powerful and people will know I am not a “fu***** pus**y”. And I can accidentally shoot the neighbor kid in the backyard because I thought I saw tea bags hanging out of his pocket so he must be coming to rape me on his way to the KKK meeting.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
@camilo rodriguez, you wrote:
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
@Joe Lovell, OK, almost, but not quite. Need to figure out how/why I quoted within my quote.
The GTL™ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
@Joe Lovell, Close, Joe — you used double blockquotes. Have your say above or below the blockquoted material and you’ve got it, Sir
12:06 pm on November 5th, 2009 6
I guess Mr Rodriguez won’t be happy until the democrapic party just drops all pretense and calls itself the communist party, good luck keeping that shiny new gun your buying when your party decides it is safe to aggressively promote it’s “core ideals”.
12:25 pm on November 5th, 2009 7
Vego, its comical you would call me a communist because I own my own business and pay almost 40% in taxes every year. I love our country and by no means think everyone deserves the same thing…the people that work harder and are smarter should most certainly earn more. However, I don’t see how believing providing basic health care to all, makes me a communist. My core ideals are freedom, respect for life and for the right of others to govern their own life…I look up to mlk and ghandi for inspiration on how to accomplish things through pacifist resistance…I will never push my core values on anyone, I will however defend them. You seem more worried about me, who is an educated professional simply reacting to the menacing environment in our country today, than the perpetrators responsible for the state of our country. Good luck to you, sir
vegofish Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
@camilo rodriguez, your political leanings support the perpetrators responsible for the state of our country today. your political support those who would push their core values on everyone. your political leanings support who oppose self governance, and support a strong central government rather than the individual. You state your core ideals are freedom, respect for life and the right of individuals to govern their lives, yet you support the killing of innocent infants, support government takeovers of free markets, support an all out civilian ban on firearm ownership. You sir are neither conservative nor liberal nor moderate. You sir, like many who still support this current administration are simply hypocritical and ignorant. You need to lay off the Olbermann/Maddows/Mathews trifecta of arrogance/ignorance and hypocrisy for a while.
The GTL™ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
@vegofish, To be fair, most in this thread have forgotten the fact Camilo has gone on the record to say he supports both Dems and Reps depending upon the person (in other words, he doesn’t vote along party lines, he votes for the individual politician/wannabe politician)
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
@The GTL™, but given how he expressed himself, how often do you think he votes for someone with an R behind the name? Kind of like the guy who said “I vote the man, not the party – Truman, Stevenson, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Obama.” (a bit of an exageration, the guy died before he could vote for Gore, but I extrapolated).
The GTL™ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
@Joe Lovell, I suppose that’s a questions for Camilo to answer. In my own case, I simply vote against all incumbents in local/state elections unless somebody is actually doing a SUPERIOR job and I vote MOSTLY Dem and/or 3rd Party in national elections
12:43 pm on November 5th, 2009 8
I used to be a leftist, bleeding heart California liberal. Then, in my late 20s I started seeing the hate and division that was the stock in trade of that particular political animal. I looked at the groups, SDS, the various something Undergrounds, The Weathermen, SLA, and all the rest. I looked at just about every protest or demonstration by the left becoming a riot. I watched as moderates and conservatives were shouted down at meetings. And then, shook my head at the inevitable claims of brutality and suppression of rights when law enforcement came in to break up riots and protect the lives and property of citizens.
And for the past twenty years, the lefts push for more division, more racism, more State (term of art for all government) control of our lives – what we may eat, what we may say, how or where we pray (unless it is some eastern mystic, shamanist, or animist religion, then they try to make it the official religion of CA), with whom we assoiate. All in the name of “tolerance, diversity, and inclusiveness.” While insisting on lock step conformity in the ranks of the left.
For 40 years now the left has carefully tended and propgated the vineyard of hate and division. Now, when it is time for the leftists to drink the vintage they themselves have pressed, they find it sour and bitter. And then blame others for the way it tastes.
My friend, what you are seeing in the right is just a reflection of the left. You are seeing yourself, and like Mr. Gray, find it ugly and disturbing.
12:55 pm on November 5th, 2009 9
Ps: I don’t need a gun to make me feel powerful, and millions of people use guns responsibly. For someone that is criticizing me for being irrational for wanting to buy a gun, and stating I’m aggressive with my ideology..its YOU that’s make a lot of irrational assumptions about someone you don’t know. Its you that is aggressive with your conclusions. I always try to have an open mind and heart. If people want to debate with reason, I’m all for it. I’m just not debating with people filled with hate. Yes, I’m buying a gun because its legal and the times call for it. You should try understanding someone’s opinion first, rather than immediately criticizing it. Best of luck to you. I’m done for the day
vegofish Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
@camilo rodriguez, You sir, layed them out for all to see. I simply responded to what is see as hypocrisy in your statements, which is really not all that unusual from supporters
of the dimocrats.
1:12 pm on November 5th, 2009 10
My, my…he gets defensive and angry quickly when challanged, doesn’t he?
SJ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
@Joe Lovell,
Lovell (and Vego), you guys are doing a good job, keep it up! Camilo has passion (guess he’s a youngster), but his comments clearly indicate he does not know who his enemies really are. As any gun toter knows, you must properly identify your target!
This biggest danger we face as a nation (by FAR), is an ever expanding federal government. It is not the 3 or 4 kooks on the fringes. I’m not saying the McVeigh’s and the Weathermen types are not dangerous, but we got to keep some perspective here!
Fandb Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
@SJ, Excellent point Steve. The McVeigh’s and the Weathermen types are dangerous but they won’t bring this country down; it’s the growing division between the left and right that could damage us.
Camilo does appear to be passionate about his ideals, but in just about every place where he actually talks about “his ideals” he is talking about Conservative positions on those particular issues – with the single exception of socialized health care. He isn’t clear on the issue of abortion because at one point he seems to say he is pro-abortion, but in another comment he lists Respect for Life as one of his core ideals. Clearly, pro-abortion and respect for life are mutually exclusive positions, i.e. you can’t be both.
This looks like another example of how the democrat party twists its ideology around to trick people into voting for democrats. Camilo clearly has very strong conservative ideals, but he doesn’t realize it. His idea of conservatism seems to be the Phony conservatism described by the main stream media, people like Maddow and Chris Matthews, and many of our far left school teachers and left wing controlled public school curricula. In other words, he is basically conservative but has been tricked into believing he is a democrat.
You could also argue that the republican party has let him down by not holding onto their true core ideals; such as freedom, respect for life, limited government intrusion, gun ownership rights, less government = less taxes, etc. All of these are Conservative positions. You could make that argument, but you would be wrong, but I don’t have time to get into that right now…
Anyone who really believes, or would even say that the Tea Party supporters are KKK has clearly been overly influenced by the left wing crackpots like Rachel Maddow.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
@SJ, Thanks. I tend to fall back on the sages of our Republic.
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I see both sides ignoring those ideas. But I see the left pushing hardest to eliminate the BoR.
The GTL™ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
@Joe Lovell, Hooray! Looks like you’ve gotten the blockquote thing down, bro!
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
@The GTL™, Yep, thanks, Guns. I have a feeling I will be using it a lot. Do the others, italic, bold, etc, work the same way? and so on?
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
@Joe Lovell,
I had tried a side carat then a space, the word italic, another space and the closing side carat. And it dropped all of that.
testing
The GTL™ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
@Joe Lovell, Yep — for bold you use those symbols the exact same way and the word “strong” “/strong”. For italics, it’s “em” and “/em”
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
@The GTL™, like this? and maybe this?
The GTL™ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
@Joe Lovell, yyyyyyeppper!
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
@SJ, So many posts and I get only seconds to read and write inbetween work tasks. I missed SJ’s excellent post until I caught what F&B said. Way to go!
4:34 pm on November 5th, 2009 11
Wow….what a sick email.
You buy a gun to protect you from those on the right?
So does that mean I know have to go buy a gun to protect myself from you???
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
@Doomed, Hey! Any excuse to buy another one! Gee, that gun safe can hold a few more. No sense in letting all that space go to waste.
Oh, that is a bargain I can’t pass up! Hell, not enough room in the safe, need to buy another one.
Which leads back to Gee, that gun safe can hold a few more.
Now, you try it?
Camilo Rodriguez Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
@Doomed, I’m buying a gun in case the right decides to turn into the Gestapo or they go off on a witch hunt. In which case I’ll be ready for them at home. If you are doing either of those then yeah, go for it.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
@Camilo Rodriguez, Since you live in a city controlled by liberal Democrats, good luck in legally buying a firearm and keeping it at home. I’ll take CA and its draconian and byzantine labyrinth of gun laws over that cesspit of Dem. Machine Politics.
Doomed Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
@Camilo Rodriguez, Do you sincerely believe that the Right which is a minority party, has NO control of any branch of government is going to turn into the Gestapo?
Additionally do you sincerely believe that the Right endorses the KKK?
Do you believe that the Tea parties are violent and out to overthrow the US government in order to establish a Gestapo police force?
Do you feel that you have to find like minded people to “organize and defend”???
Do you sincerely feel threatened by American citizens who just dont happen to share your political views to the point that you have to buy a gun to protect yourself against them?
GTL where do you dig these guys up at?
Its an interesting exercise in Alinsky.
Let me digress.
I am fearful of Illegal Aliens. I think everyone with a Spanish surname is an illegal and I must be protected from them.
I think all liberals are gay faggots.
I think all liberals are progressive America haters who want to do me harm.
Im a biggot for thinking this way….The hair on your neck should be standing up right now and your blood boiling……
Of course I don’t mean any of these but this is exactly what this email fellah is implying in reverse and no one seems to even care……..its as if….as if……its true.
Its accepted. Thats what I find interesting. I also find Alinsky lurking all around.
4:55 pm on November 5th, 2009 12
Nothing like a bunch of people that dont know someone…acting like they do. Look guys THINGS ARE NOT BLACK AND WHITE. It’s not as easy as drawing a line down the middle and saying you are this and I am that. I know my beliefs and I’m absolutely not a hypocrite.
I am personally pro life, but beyond my personal belief I believe women have the right to make that decision not me. Does that make me a conservative or a liberal?
I in no way support the perpetrators that got our country to where we are. I am against corporate greed, unecessary wars, tax cuts for the rich and 99.9% of the things the Bush Administration was about.
I respect freedom, the right of free speech to do whatever you please as long as it doesn’t hurt someone else, the right to be left alone. I respect freedom of religion even though personally religions to me are ignorant. I respect life and what that means is I dont want to see children go to war. It means I dont want women getting abortions but it means I respect their right to make that decision. I respect the right to govern myself, as in I’m not a communist and I dont want people telling me what to do. However, that doesn’t mean I dont support the government stepping in a bit when people and corporations get out of hand, to lay down rules so we can co-exist. We wouldn’t need governments if we where all the same religion, all we would need is a church…but a governemnt and laws are necessary when we have one nation with a gay guy in one house and Conservative Christian in the next…
You guys dont know me, do your self a favor and quit pretending you know everything. It’s pathetic. If you were so wise you would realize there is no right answer.
Thats my main point. We live in a free country and we need to co-exist and accept each other. It’s because of the lack of acceptance on the right that we are divided.
I am not scared of guns im scared of irresponsible people who own them, I’m scared of children that get their hands on them. Most importantly the 2nd Amendment was made in a diffent century, a time when police forces and armies are not what they are today. I’m positive that if the founding fathers lived in today’s era, they wouldn’t see the need for every single one of us to have a gun. When people can nourish themselves without ever having to hunt. However, since that right still exists, people should difinitley have to take training classes, pass a competency test with a gun, and then they should have to wait for months. So that not every idiot on the planet has a gun. But yes, since every idiot who just happens to be smart enough to turn 18 and not have a felony can own a gun, that makes me want to own one…and I wish more liberals owned guns and showed them off so they could intimidate the right. How awesome would it be if at your next local gay parade they all had rifles? The Christian right would shit their pants. lol!
When it comes to economic policy, I belive part of what makes this country great is that anyone with the right work ethic, can make something of themselves. Look at our great first Black President. Wish he was more quick to push for gay rights, amnesty for illegals and such but I’ll take him over Bush. At least the man can give a good speech from Cairo that won him a Nobel Peace price. Not that I think he really has done much to deserve it, it’s more what he stands for…but it’s a start on foreign policy.
I dont care if you agree with me on every issue, and I’m humble enough to understand I may be wrong on some occassions. The bottom line is there are different answers to all of us because we are all different, and that’s great, that’s American. It’s only because the rhetoric from the Hard Right is so militant, that I’m reacting to it.
Mr lovell, I appreciate your input, you seem like a reasonable man, but when I look at the hard right I do not see a reflection, I respectfuly disagree. I see people that only look inward, that dont want to share this country they stole through genocide with others, that can’t tolerate people that are not like them. I am the absolutle opposite of that.
For the record I dont need to hide behind a screen name. My name is Camilo Rodriguez. I live in Chicago. Im a 30yr old succesfull business owner. I came to this country from Colombia South America when I was 9 years old. I didn’t know any English. I graduated from a Big Ten school. I’m engaged to a beutiful Turkish Doctor. I have friends that are liberal and friends that are Republican…so yes I’m neither. I make up my mind depending on the situation, that doesn’t make me a hypocrite, it makes me reasonable.
Lastly, to the Tea Party Express memebers, I dont think every member of the Tea Party Express is a KKK member…I do think KKK members hide themselves in groups like that and the Minuteman. Maybe I’m wrong, that’s just my hunch. I dont have any more facts except they all share the same creed “just a couple of god fearing people that love their country”…
Alright guys, thanks for the banter I really do appreciate all of your comments, but try to not come off like your shit doesn’t stink. I dont pretend to know you, dont pretend to know me.
adios
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
@Camilo Rodriguez,
Who defines “irresponsible” and how do you know before hand? Do you subject them to a political reliability test? We already have laws that prohibit felons, those with recent (within ten years) violent misdemenors, those with restraining orders, those who have been judged mentally unstable, and drug addicts from buying firearms. What more would you you have done?
I started shooting at about the age of 2 years. Yes TWO. By age 5 I knew how to load, fire and clean all our guns. I knew where my dad kept his loaded pistol. Somehow all my brothers and I, even though we had ready access to guns and ammo never misused them. Nor did our friends. So, what is wrong with kids learning to be responsible with firearmes?
I have had exactly one ND. I have never killed or injured anyone. I taught my stepkids how to shoot when they were about 7 & 6. Same story.
And? The whole Bill of Rights was “made in a different century.” So what? That does not invalidate the principles.
Likely they would have written it as a requirement for citizenship.
I hate to fall back on the cliche’, but the 2nd ain’t about huntin’. “The sword, and every other impliment of the soldier is the birthright of every American.”
So, you are saying that it is NOT a right. But largesse to be granted by the all powerful State. We sort of have that here in CA, where a CCW is at the discression of the Lord High Sheriff. Lots of them have a “No Issue” policy. Unless you are a good friend, have a big name, or deep pockets to donate to (lieral) politicians, you can’t get one in many populous counties. But scum like Sean Penn, with a violent history of beating the crap out of reporters (and because of his name getting it plead down from a felony to a mis. & time served), can get one. And keep it after having his guns stolen out of his car. Talk about idiots being allowed to have guns.
For someone who proclaims “I’m the farthest thing from a guy that stereotypes” you sure do it a lot.
So you want to wave your gun around like you “think” dem debil consrv’tivs do. Got news for you, boy. You wouldn’t intimidate them. You MIGHT get smacked up-side the head and have it taken away from you for being an idiot, but I doubt you would intimidate many. I’ve taken guns away from people at the range. No big deal. All in the timing.
Check out the Pink Pistols. The LIBERALS in San Francisco, and other places, have pretty much kicked them out of just about every pride parade – because PP advocates responible firearm ownership by all honest citizens. I think I can talk for 99 44/100ths of all gun owners when I say we don’t give a good gawdam who or what you sleep with. Do you support our civil rights? Are you safe on the gun line? Can I shoot it? Want to try mine? Hey, how about a beer after we leave?
No, conservatives actually like it when the fascilibs manage to put aside their fear and bigotry and come to the range with us. Well, except for the fact that they tend to shoot up just about all the ammo we brought. And we get blinded by the sun glinting off that big grin that they can’t wipe off their faces.
From your statements here, you have one hell of a case of projection going on. You envision all gun owers being as irresponsible as you seem to want to be.
Camilo Rodriguez Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
@Joe Lovell, Joe you are about the only person that makes sense on this thread. I wasn’t referring about children that are taught how to properly use a gun, I’m referring about thugs on the street that somehow get AK-47’s and automatic handguns. If there where no guns period, these kids wouldn’t get them. It’s an enticing option even though I know you wouldnt dare consider it.
We all stereotype somehow. I try not to, but I’m sure I still do.
You bring up a good point, it’s a right to own a gun, and having tests makes it not a right, but all Im saying is if cars had been around when the founding fathers made the consitution…would the right to drive a car be on there? Does it mean just because you can drive you can drive irresponsibly? Maybe that right just need a little updating, that’s all. I do not by any means think every republican is a gun toting idiot. If I did I wouldnt want a gun and I’m friends with many, many responsible gun owners. But to say that it doesn’t matter that the constitution was written in a different decade is plain wrong. It does. We have to be careful to do the difficult job of updating the constitution without destroying it but times change. We let women vote now and we make other amendments because they make sense. I don’t know if it makes sense to let everyone own a gun that can’t pass some tests to prove they can handle it.
and my comments about hiding behind a screen name are to those that get “agitated” and can’t remain calm, but would never dare talk out of line in person. I try to be cordial as possible. Maybe I guess my comments are incindiary. Alirght gents, its been a pleasure but this time I’m out for real. Thanks GTL for introducing me to this community. Hopefully we can continue to discuss in future threads.
The GTL™ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
@Camilo Rodriguez,
No problem, Camilo. If you use your real email address, by the way, it’s kept private from the other users and you’ll get an automatic alert if you checkmark that option anytime someone responds to your blog
5:44 pm on November 5th, 2009 13
By the way, I don’t “hide behind a screen name” either. And that Shining,handsome, suave, masculine face you see is really me.
The GTL™ Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
@Joe Lovell, I, however; DO hide behind a screen name but that’s my shining, handsome, suave, masculine face and buff bod’ (LMFAO!!!!) you see
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
@The GTL™, Third stall, same as last time? ;-P
LSHIPM
8:30 pm on November 5th, 2009 14
By the way, Happy Guy Fawkes Day!
8:51 pm on November 5th, 2009 15
If someone wanted to have a gun because they feared turtles, would you have a problem with that? I wouldn’t. I’d think the fear was unrational, but hey, maybe the person afraid of turtles might stumble across a good use for their weapon if a theif broke into the house. I don’t agree with Camillo’s beliefs but I think you all are being too harsh in your tone with him. With the tragedy at Ft. Hood today, it would be good for all to give pause and think how to defend themselves against an attacker.
Doomed Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
@Mike 300 Spartans, OUR friend wrote in his email…”"”Lately, Im starting to feel under seige by the hard right and I want to reach out to like minded individuals to stay in touch, share ideas, and if necessary organize to defend ourselves and our beliefs.”"”
Our Friend wrote…..”"”I’m not stereotyping when major organizations on the right like the Minuteman, the Tea Party Express, the KKK (the minuteman and the tea party express by the way is where the KKK meets during the day) and many other smaller and worse militia throughout the country are arming themselves.”"”
Our Friend wrote……”"”My point is for every Bill Ayers on the left, there are 1000 more like him or worse on the right.”"”
Our Friend Wrote….”"”It’s because of the lack of acceptance on the right that we are divided.”"”
Our Friend Wrote…..”"”"Lastly, to the Tea Party Express memebers, I dont think every member of the Tea Party Express is a KKK member…I do think KKK members hide themselves in groups like that and the Minuteman. Maybe I’m wrong, that’s just my hunch. I dont have any more facts except they all share the same creed “just a couple of god fearing people that love their country”…”"”"
Being too hard on him?
This guy is a loon…..
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
@Doomed, That’s why I compared it to a fear of turtles. Kind of loony no? But even if one were to say such an exaggeration of there being a thousand to one ratio of violent right wing koos to one Bill Ayers, it shows in that statement an understanding that people like Ayers are wrong. Can ya give a guy any credit for that and what seems to be a civil manner in which he writes? I read those comments, they seem like more unrealist fear than outrages rants from one unforgettable cainine that use to be a regular on this biog. Thanks for the feedback Doomed
camilo rodriguez Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
@Doomed, doomed if I’m a loon, you’re ignorant. If you are trying to tell me that the rhetoric from the hard right isn’t overboard and alarming then you must be on drugs. Civility is no longer present, its out the door. I’m fighting fire with fire. I accept that some of my conclusions regarding membership of some of your groups is overreaching, but you think about that next time you criticize someone on the left for lose associations with a radical. As for myself, I’m 3 paragraphs and one shot of burbon from full blown radical… I can tell from your responses to some of my arguments you’re incapable of picking up on sarcasm and humor…but the thing that’s not funny is the tone from the right, I’m just reacting to the right…Hard Right people: us free loving, peace loving, gay loving, community activist…are buying guns. That’s what you get for talking about Obama being a secret terrorist, that he is a Nazi, that he wants to kill the elderly..!la,bla,bla,lies, rumors, bullshit. My whole point is from this day forth I’m done reasoning and I’m simply responding with the same ridiculous rhetoric I hear…If you can’t beat them, join them. The gop has been succesull for too long banking on their ability to energize the masses through fear and hate, well I want the left to do the same.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
@camilo rodriguez, Key,-rist – go back and look at the difference in methods and rhetoric over the past 40 years? Which side throws regular riots as “peace protests?” Or to protest big business?
Which side regularly bombs labs, businesses, building sites, RV dealerships? (i know, you are going to mention the hand full of abortion clinic incidents, and the OK bombing – few and far between NOT a regular happening).
Which side has for 40 years been using mobs to take over offices, meetings, schools, closing roadways and bridges to make a political point? It sure as hell is NOT the right.
Which feakin’ side has an admitted radical bomber as a friend and informal advisor to the freakin’ president?
Good lord. Read some history, open your eyes.
All the things you whine about the freakin’ leftists have been using very effectively for 40 years while bleating about how tolerant, diverse, and inclusive they are. And likely shouting you down, hitting you with their signs, and pushing you out of the way. You are just toqued because the right has finally decided to use the same freakin’ tactics the left has been using. Now you yell FOUL! Well, learn to like it. It is what you taught.
camilo rodriguez Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
@Joe Lovell, I’m willing to bet that over the past 40yrs all the Hate crimes against Latinos, Blacks, foreigners and gays surpass any so called terrorist attacks by thousands. I’m also willing to bet the death toll and severity of Hate crimes is much scarier. I can make a note to check back with you in a week after I’ve had time to do some research but I’m positive the past 40yrs there has been more deaths inflicted by the Hard Right on the left than vice versa. Ill put my degree on it. Not to mention the death toll from all the wars the republican gov has taken us into. Let’s not also dwell on the faulty guilty by association argument because as we know Bush was like one degree of separtion from Bin Laden, not to mention friends with many other psycopaths. Lastly, as I’m sure you are aware our founding fathers were once radical terrorist. So calling someone that isn’t enough to crucify them, I need to know reasoning and motives behind the action. Ofcourse this is not to say in any way I condone terrorism which is a cowardly act, its simple to put things into reference.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
@camilo rodriguez, who wrote
OK, I’ll play your game of reductio ad absurdum
If you are going to play that game and assert that all “hate crimes” are committed by the so-called hard right, do a little more digging and ascribe all gang and drug related deaths to the “hard left.”
But, taking a more reasonable look at it, and taking PLANNED POLITICAL attacks, what you are complaining about is that the leftists are incompetents who can’t figure out how to set off a simple am-fo bomb.
If you insist on
then again, damn well remember to count all the deaths caused by leftists like Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao. Throw in the deaths caused by the communist regimes in Africa too. Might also throw in the deaths caused by the National Socialist (NSDAP) party.
Doomed Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
@camilo rodriguez, Okay…….welcome back Bad Dog.
Doomed Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
@camilo rodriguez,Bad Dog wrote……. “”"from this day forth I’m done reasoning and I’m simply responding with the same ridiculous rhetoric I hear…If you can’t beat them, join them.”"”
I have no problem with this. Its freedom of speech. Freedom of expression. Freedom to rant and rave all you want……
My argument is with your assertion that you have to BUY A GUN…..to protect you from people who call Obama names. People no doubt call Obama Hitler….Remember the left called Bush Hitler. Some on the right sez Obama is not an American citizen….the left said Bush was a traitor.
But nowhere…..ever….have I seen anyone advocating buying a gun to continue the argument and if you dont see why thats beyond over the top then I can’t help ya friend.
10:36 pm on November 5th, 2009 16
Hijacking again – Let us take a minute or two to mourn for our service members killed in Ft. Hood, and their comrads in arms from the UK killed in Afghanistan by a sleeper infiltrated into the police. May their memories be eternal.
And give a big Baker Zebra to the people in security who got there in a timely fashion and ended it.
10:39 pm on November 5th, 2009 17
The new kid in town getting b-slapped by the community! Woo hoo!
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 5th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
@virgomonkey aka ticklebug![](http://guntotingliberal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=)
, 
so sad that I could laugh.
11:04 pm on November 5th, 2009 18
Sure as hell are a lot of conservatives on this guntotingLIBERAL page
I Don’t mind being the only guy stating my point. Its harder to make an argument than criticize someone elses, that’s why Mr Lovell is the only other one here that knows how to debate. He puts his own ideas out there, and makes an argument with it. Anyways I’m pretty happy with my stand…you guys soon will lear how to decipher my style of writing and debating.
Lone Survivor
11:33 pm on November 5th, 2009 19
I’d be happy to see a gay rights group marching with guns for a couple different reasons. One is if I saw an armed, but peaceful demonstration I would see that as symbolic of a group portraying self reliance rather than wanting others to do stuff for them. Also, as I alluded before, I believe armed citizens have a positive effect on society. I forget who said it, but I love the quote: An armed society is a polite society. So I wouldn’t have any problem with my bowels in the earlier mentioned scenario.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
@Mike 300 Spartans, I’ve worked with the Pink Pistols a bit, training some of them to safely use firearms. It is great to see the faces light up when they put their first rounds in the X ring. The more honest citizens who own and know how to safely use firearms the better.
Unfortunately, many of them have to stay in the closet. Not about being gay. But in the closet about being gun owners. Seems that the o, so tolerant, diverse, inclusive and generally leftist ‘gay community’ will ostrcise them if it is found out that they are gun owners.
11:51 pm on November 5th, 2009 20
With all seriousness, if you guys want to do more than simply talk with people that reinforce your opinion but actually want to challenge you views. I recommend you read a book called Republican Gomorroah. If u have any literature you recommend I’m stopping by the bookstore tomorrow so let me know.
Lastly, yes doom buying a gun is over the top. That’s why I’m on the net reaching out and talking to people. I want to see who else out there feels under seige, if it just happens that I’m all alone. I promise you ill shut up.If people feel the way I do, then ill talk louder.
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 12:12 am
@camilo rodriguez, I’m not the most honest guy around, but I try to exercise my honesty on a regular basis. That being said, I’m intrigued by your challenge of reading Republican Gomorroah, but I *honestly* doubt I’ll read it. But, I think an excellent book, (and it really isn’t that long either) is Mark Levine’s Liberty and Tyranny. I disagree with most everything you say but I feel you have carried yourself in a respectable way, albeit a bit nutty from my perspective.
Fandb Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
@camilo rodriguez, Camilo wrote: “if you guys want to do more than simply talk with people that reinforce your opinion but actually want to challenge you views…” — Really? Is that something that you have done, challenge your own views? When I was much younger and more naive, I was a liberal. Then Jimmy Carter came along, which was during my post-high-school college years, and through a long process of challenging my own beliefs I realized that I really was (and am) a conservative. This was while attending an extremely liberal college, in fact it was the same college where Obama taught. I was born and raised a democrat, but the democrat philosophy fails when it is scrutinized in the light of day. At least it did for me.
Somewhere above you said that you are “pro-life” but that you also believe that women should be allowed to have abortions if they want. In my opinions those are mutually exclusive, but to follow that line of reasoning it seems reasonable to assume that someone could say ‘I am not going to kill another person, but other people should have the right to make that decision for themselves.” It appears that you are saying that you believe unborn babies are in fact human beings, which is why you are pro-life. But that other people should decide for themselves whether unborn babies are human beings. If they are human beings, then they deserve Equal Protection under the Constitution. If they are not human beings, then why would you be ‘pro-life’? If you do believe that unborn babies are human beings, then why do you feel no obligation to protect them from harm, either as an individual or as a society?
Suggested reading: The Manifesto of the Communist Party, aka The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx, even if you have read it before, it is worth reading again, especially in light of your opinion of Obama and the current events in this country. Look for parallels and contradictions between Marx’s description of the causes and effects of proletariat revolution and what is happening in the U.S. right now. What I believe you’ll find is that there are little or no parallels, and that the current administration is trying to force socialistic ideas from the top down, whereas Marx indicates they have to be generated at the bottom and work their way up.
So in the end, Obama and his cronies aren’t even interested in the ideals of socialism, they just want to skip right to the government control of everything aspect of socialism.
And the right, radical as we have become, are NOT going to let them get waya with it. The conservative common man has already spoken through his vote in Viginia and New Jersey. And the Good Lord willing, those elections are just a preview of what will happen in 2010.
11:57 pm on November 5th, 2009 21
Camilo, I think very similar to the way you do. Email me anytime if you want to talk.
shinshimajima at gmail.com
12:12 am on November 6th, 2009 22
Thanks Virgo, great to know I’m not alone. I may have let out my most radical side today, buts that’s why I’m on this blog, I’m just sad to see how people attack Obama no matter what the guy does. He never had a chance from day one. All that talk about patriotism and loving your country and they never gave the elected president a chance. I didn’t vote for Bush but it was 4 years before I started hating on him, its a sad side of America. So I’m a bit bent outta shape over it. Anyways thanks for your offer and ill take you up on it.
Mike 300 Spartans Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 12:38 am
@camilo rodriguez, I forget the source, but I remember some commentator that I considered left leaning talking about the then President Elect Obama before he took office and about expectations of his supporters. He said: “Oh he is going to dissappoint, the excitement and expectations are so astonomically high, that even if he is successful he’s destined to dissappoint a lot of people.” That seemed to me to have a ring of truth. I dare say it is conservatives that The President of the United States Obama has not dissappointed. Many of us were extremely dissappointed with the former President of the United States Bush, particularly with Tarp. But we expected massive, out of control spending and powergrabbing from this administration, and it is living up to expectations for us. In my effort to find something to say positive, I liked his handling of the Somali pirates and I didn’t have a problem with him taking his wife to Broadway, even at however many thousands of dollars, it isn’t like he is doing it every week. He probably spent as much on the total of all those trips campaigning for the New Jersey democrate govenorship. You can decide if that was money well spent or not.
SJ Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 7:56 am
@camilo rodriguez,
Well, the responses you received when you entered the comments page here are a direct results of your incoming tone. Seriously dude, you came in with guns blazing, packed with unfair generalizations, blasting away at any conservative viewpoint that moves. In fact, based on some of your contradicting views, you may have even hit yourself a few times!
You are right. Due to the GTL’s magnetic personality and photoshop skills, there are quite a few vocal conservatives here, but we are not lockstep in our beliefs. And most of us don’t carry such a huge chip on our shoulders when we post!
I, for instance, did not vote for Obama OR McCain. I was frustrated with both parties and I EXPECTED both of these guys to be terrible Presidents. So far, Obama has met my expectations.
But belatedly, welcome to the blog. I don’t want you to think in anyway I want you to buzz off, since I don’t.
Steve
Doomed Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
@SJ, I agree SJ…it was not even his tone. Hell I see that tone on every left of center blog I visit.
I just have never seen anyone advocating buying a gun to continue the debate. That was my total objection and IF he thinks thats whats advocated at GUN TOTING LIBERAL then he needs to be reeducated on day ONE.
Camilo Rodriguez Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 10:41 am
@SJ, this morning I woke up like I had just been hazed…good work to all of you.
I know my comments where incindiary, I take full responsibility. I guess you guys cant see it from my view but when people start bringing rifles to Health Care rallies, that comes out as intimidating to me. Sir is that really necessary? For a peace loving, tre hugging, idealist. It makes me think there is no debate any more…do I need a gun too then? Agressive conclusion? sure I agree. I know I made some overreaching arguments for the sake of arguing, but 90% of what I put on here is accurate from my view. The rhetoric from the HARD RIGHT has to tone or guys like me will look to go build something more than a sparodic rant/complaint. Let’s hope civility and the debate never turns to that.
SJ Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am
@Camilo Rodriguez,
From what I understand, those gun owners you are referring two were demonstrating their constitutional right to keep and bear arms (RTKBA). This has nothing to do with the healthcare debate, unless there are additional firearm restrictions in the bills. In those 1000’s of pages, I would not be surprised if there are – but that’s beside the point.
That said, was there any violence AT ALL at those rallies by these law abiding gun owners which you are so afraid of? In fact, please show me ANY RTKBA rally in recent history that resulted in violence the law abiding gun owners in attendance. Please.
Now, for comparison, go ahead and research what happened at the recent global economic summits in Pittsburgh and Seattle in recent years. You will find many left wing, tree-hugging protesters at these events. You will also find violence.
Now, who should people be afraid of?
Doomed Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
@Camilo Rodriguez,Camilo wrote….”"” The rhetoric from the HARD RIGHT has to tone or guys like me will look to go build something more than a sparodic rant/complaint. Let’s hope civility and the debate never turns to that.”"”
There is nothing wrong with Rhetoric. I don’t really see many people calling for killing people to solve their problems.
The Minutemen havent killed anyone that I am aware of and in fact if you look at their organization they simply report what they see and are trained not to take any direct action on their own.
The minutemen are endorsed loosely by the right/conservatives. Not by the GOP that Im aware of. They do work in a non violent manner. They are basically spotters for the border patrol.
How about La Raza? ARe you afraid of them? The group of hispanics who advocate that Mexico take over the USA?
How about the Black Panthers??
How about the weathermen whom believe it or not are still active??
How about greenpeace who ram boats at sea? Are you afraid of them?
World wildlife?? The group that is extremely radical, far left and will stop at nothing to protect the planet based upon their description of what that really means.
Peta? Who have blown up laboratories to prevent the inhumane treatment of animals.
These are left groups…..are they endorsed by the LEFT/Liberals/Democrats???
11:42 am on November 6th, 2009 23
Please understand I’m not advocating violence, I’m advocating the left’s right to bare arms, to protect themselves. Look I’m all for gun owners demonstrating their right to bare arms, but there is no need to show up at Health Care debates WITH arms…there is a difference. People are doing that, there was even a guy that showed up at an Obama rallie with a rifle…The only purpose behind that is to intimidate, plain and simple.
I’m aware there are violent, despicable elements of the left. I don’t support or condone terrorist organizations, I just want more people on the left to get aquainted with the 2nd. You guys can rest assure I’m the most responsible person that could own a gun and I look forward to learning about the culture of gun ownership. In that aspect I’m a rookie. Maybe after a few months of owning a gun I wouldn’t be able to bare without the 2nd and wouldn’t advocate restrictions.
I think we can all agree the average person on the right is more likely a gun owner than the person on the left. Another gentleman on this thread stated “an armed state is a peaceful state” or something to the sort, I like the idea of that. What’s wrong with advocating the left gets caught up on the 2nd? Whatever my reason is that turned me onto gun ownership, as long as I promote protection and not violence I’m not doing anything wrong.
I’m not buying a gun because my average GOP neighbor owns one and I need to feel powerful. I’m buying a gun because its my right to do so and I have a right to protect myself and my family. From whatever potential enemies I may or may not have. I’m advocating more people on the left follow GTL and my footsteps.
Joe Lovell Reply:
November 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
@camilo rodriguez,
And not a person has spoken against that. Or against any honest and reasonable citizen “bearing” arms. What we were against was your statement that you wanted to brandish one about to try to intimidate people. See the difference?
You have it backwards. Why should an honest citizen be prevented from exercising his or her civil and constitutional rights?
This I’m going to throw the BS flag on. It was protected political free speech, plain and simple. Making a statement that We the People have a Constitutionally protected right, and that the former junior senator from IL and his lapdog Holder will not easily be able to take that right away.
So do we “idiots” on the right. Many of us keep inviting lefties to the range to show them that just touching a gun doesn’t turn them into the zomboid killing machines that they think gun owners are.
Which is NOT what your earlier posts about looking forward to brandishing your gun at those idiots on the right. We can only go by what you write.
Absolutely nothing. We idiots on the right have been BEGGING the left to support it, to get involved in shooting sports, to learn the self control and self discipline that comes with any responsible use of firearms. But all too often we are rebuked with comments about being rednecks, wanna-be-rambos, racist thugs, or intolerant christians. Or get death threats like “well, I know that if I had a gun, I would shoot you right now.” showing the lack of control, discipline, and tolerance that is the hallmark of so many on the left (I have had many dozens of those comments hurled at me, as well as comments, if not directed at me, indicating that they would open fire for loud music, being cut off in traffic, or having someone take a parking space. To which I say, good, you know that you are fit to have a gun. Please don’t project your own lack of control onto everyone else).
So, if you can figure out how to do it in gun free Chicago (gun free thanks to the Dem. Daily Machine), go for it, and good luck. If you come out to CA, I’ll get you out to the range and give you some training for free.
Again, that is NOT what you posted. You ranted and rambled about wanting to brandish your gun to try to intimidate people. If you had come into the gun shop I used to work at and said things like that, I, or one of the others, would have kicked your sorry ass out the door. I’ve seen guys tear up a 4473 and hand back the money for a sale rather than sell to someone with the attitude you showed in your early posts.
Oh, lordy. YOUR footsteps? Got news for you, you are far back in the pack, eating the dust of MILLIONS of liberals who have gone before you.
As I mentioned earlier, I used to be a hard left bleeding heart. One of the reasons I have moved to the center is because of the efforts of the left to write the 2nd out of the BoR.
2:47 pm on November 6th, 2009 24
A guy, as in singular, in a group that numbers tens of millions (Obama rally attendees) apparently to you represents the entirety of the conservative movement. Again I must recommend you lay off the Msnbc trifecta of hypocrisy and lies.
This guy worries about a single guy, though skewed and misguided was probably only trying to make a point in what we must assume was a non violent manner since nobody was shot or killed at any rallies that I know of. No mention of the Hundreds of thousands of drugged out hippie tree huggers that smoked dope driving to the rallies, literally endangering
thousands more while driving under the influence.
9:32 am on November 7th, 2009 25
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612
This was actually something I was going to do on my own but someone beat me to it.
9:16 pm on November 8th, 2009 26
http://thecollegepolitico.com/media-caught-in-bold-faced-lie-about-obamahitler-poster/
this is another nice lil feature put together showing us just where a lot of these Nazi posters are coming from.
YUP…they are coming from left wing LaRouche supporters. Not the right.
9:18 pm on November 8th, 2009 27
http://thecollegepolitico.com/media-caught-in-bold-faced-lie-about-obamahitler-poster/
This is a nice little report explaining that many of those evil Hitler posters we see are not really coming from the right but are in fact coming from the left.
virgomonkey aka ticklebug :) Reply:
November 8th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
@Doomed,
My position has always been that the FAR right and the FAR left have A LOT in common. I can’t stand either side.