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Representative Tom Harkin: The G.O.P. Can Sit Back And Watch While We Pass ObamaCare Health Reform…
Hey, no doubt — if you are one of those minority folks who belong to the incredible shrinking Republican Party, you absolutely DESPISE this guy, Tom Harkin (D-IA). Why, it was just yesterday the man had the audacity to refer to the G.O.P.’s so-called “health care reform” proposals as the “Die Quickly Plan“.
Immediately, the Loud And Few — a.k.a., “The Incredible Shrinking Republican Party”, screamed for this man’s head and demanded an apology and even threatened to have him censured for his remarks (The Hill). Today, the man has (predictably) become some sort of a cult hero to not only the Democrats but the independent-minded and independent-voting “moderates” as well. Congressman Harkin says: We don’t care if the Republicans want to become involved in TRUE health care reform or NOT — we’re going to do it with or without them and in fact, we don’t even give a damn if they show up to discuss this issue anyway (DesMoines Register).
AMEN, Mr. Representative. The Republican Party has become nothing more than “The Party of NO!“, which has obviously, even turned off most conservatives these days. Case in point: if I were wrong, the G.O.P. would be more popular than Communist China, the legalization of marijuana and AIDS, which apparently, they aren’t (Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic). With that in mind, if you are one of the FEW who disagree with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Rep. Tom Harkin and the majority of your other fellow Americans in this issue, you should be equally excited about today’s bilateral talks between the Obama Administration and Iran’s Ahmadinejad Administration regarding Iran’s nuclear ambitions (American Free Press). Sorry, folks — you can’t have it both ways. FACT. THINK.
Meanwhile, Senate Majority Leader (short-term, anyway), Harry Reid is promising America we WILL have a public option in our healthcare reform package and that’s that (Las Vegas Review-Journal). Good! Or, do I mean “Good?” The latter perhaps. Question mark and all…
In a way, I’m sorry to see this. I, like YOU — the “average American” — KNOWS this Eagle needs both a right wing and a left wing to fly and it’s not happening because there is no TRUE “conservative” party representing conservative constituents in Washington, D.C. these days. And yes, I realize the Democratic Party isn’t much better than their counterpart but INDEED — they won the frigging ELECTION and they feel they have an “American Agenda” to fulfill. Not to mention the fact that the polls on the ObamaCare issue strongly favor a public option, too.
Stick to your guns, Congress — you’ve been appointed and annointed by The American People to do our will as a majority. Now stop the yapping and GET ‘ER DONE.
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Have no Fear GTL. You will soon have your health care reform along with a few other surprises.
Let me point out:
“To the Democrats in Congress who don’t quite get it: I want to offer a personal pledge. I – and a lot of other people – have every intention of removing you from Congress in the next election if you stand in the way of health care legislation that the people want,” Moore said.
“That is not a hollow or idle threat. We will come to your district and we will work against you, first in the primary and, if we have to, in the general election.”
Moving on to the most important man in the Senate…Harry Reid who is UP for Election.
Two recent newspaper polls found that 49% and 51% of voters disapprove of Reid’s job performance, while only 39% and 32% gave him a favorable rating.
That almost invites a strong Republican challenger should Reid decide to run again in 2010…LA TIMES.
Move forward a couple days after Michael Moores Pronouncement.
U.S. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said today there will be a “public option” in whatever health insurance reform bill comes out of Congress.
“We are going to have a public option before this bill goes to the president’s desk,” Reid said in a conference call with constituents, referring to some kind of government plan.
But you ask how can we possibly pay for that….Lets look at that.
By the time the final numbers are in for the fiscal year just ended, the federal deficit will have hit an all-time high in the range of $1.580-trillion. That’s 11.2 percent of the total economy (GDP). The previous year’s deficit was – by today’s standards – nearly inconsequential at $459-billion. That was only 3.2 percent of GDP…..CBS NEWS.
Okay so were 1.6 trillion in debt last year….and have ammased almost 12 trillion in total deficits you ask….how do we pay for this health care plan the government is giving us for free?
Glad you asked. Let me illustrate the flood of taxes YOUR all going to pay.
1.) Under current law, anyone who itemizes their taxes can deduct medical expenses that exceed 7.5 percent of their adjusted gross income in a year. The healthcare reform bill pending in the committee, which was written by Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), would raise that threshold to 10 percent, thus raising $21.7 billion in new tax revenue.
2.) The top rate in New York City, home to many of the state’s wealthiest people, would be 58.68 percent, the Washington-based Tax Foundation said in a report yesterday.
That means New York’s top earners, small-business owners and most dynamic entrepreneurs will be facing new fees and penalties.
The $544 billion tax hike would violate one of President Obama’s ironclad campaign promises: No family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s.
3.) John Podesta, who is an Obama adviser, said the administration should consider a tax on consumption, such as a value-added tax system similar to that in use in the European Union.
White House economic adviser Larry Summers and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner refused to rule out middle-class tax increases during Sunday talk-show appearances over the summer.
@GawdDayumAmerica, Swell. WE get health care reform at the cost of a whole bunch and a really lot of new taxes.
But we havent even touched the deficit. Ah who cares. Screw the deficit. We will just sell America to the Chinese so in about 20 years they can set up sweat shops in America too.
What a bunch of dumb freakin politicians. But hey I guess its like Bad Dog says.
Deficit dont matter. All Hail Dick Cheney.
Nothing left to tax to pay off the deficits…we will just print money and beg the chinese to puhlease buy our debt.
That is my only oppostion to a public option. Were going to tax the crap outta everyone to pay for this and have nothing left to pay for already exorbitant deficits.
@GawdDayumAmerica, The Baucus bill includes an “individual mandate” that requires everyone to buy health insurance-but not inexpensive, high-deductible catastrophic health insurance. Instead, it imposes a requirement for pricier comprehensive coverage that pays for routine costs like annual checkups. The bill then requires that insurance companies provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, and that they charge customers at high risk of medical problems the same rates as those with lower risks-which means that these extra expenses will have to be paid for by raising everyone else’s premiums.
And then the Baucus bill delivers the knock-out punch: after forcing us into expensive comprehensive insurance plans and driving up the cost of those plans, the bill would impose a massive 40% tax on “gold-plated” plans-which turn out to include the health-insurance plans of many in the middle class. So that drives up the cost of insurance even higher.
WHY??
Well to put insurance companies out of business of course so the government can come to YOUR rescue with a public option.
This is such a deceptive process by the Democrats. Have they no shame.
Many who voted for democrats in the last cycle sincerely regret their decision now. They realize they were hoodwinked by the liberal biased media, and slanted reporting of the events and facts that shaped the election. They won’t be fooled again.
The republicans will have quite a big mess to clean up when they regain power in 2010 and 2012.
Here is my analogy….The current state of the fed. govt, is much like this site…The Govt and the GTL…
Both were once great entities, with each of the aisle engaged in healthy debate. Yes, often times one side would take presidence, but the tone was respectful and productive….
Behind both the Govt and the GTL, is a “ruling class”, and they decide to shift the balance, to the extreme. The Govt has the state run media push an agengda, “Hope and Change”, coming from an African American who gives a grest speech, and cant be critized, he’s black! The GTL “electes” a character just as hollow, the “Bad Dog”, and is produced to be just as bizzare as is the Presidents current administration, full of communist “czars” and radical proposals.
The “people”, are distracted by the pressures of life, you know, taxes, jobs, (or lack there of), wars, scandals, all exggerated by the Govt(crisis/policies), and the GTL(Bad Dog).
The end result, the President and govt is exposed, “they lie”. The people become divided, further than they already are…Christian vs. Muslim, black vs. white, becomes secondary to “Left vs. Right”. Conservatives become angry, Liberals viscious, and the divide widens…
Finally, the revolt overflows like a tsunami, much like the origins of this once great country, this once great site. The govenment can be taken back by much more centrist, rational leaders. The GTl site, is a microcosm of the media, with agendas controlled by those that are really in charge, so promoting vile and extreme ideology is beyond the control of the people(viewers)…the only conclusion, since voicing opinion and stating facts, is to leave…
@cld, Then the next Ronald Reagan comes in to calm the storm -Kaye Harris – and peace and prosperity follow..for awhile.
@cld, A note of caution, regardless of the accuracy (or not) of saying bad dog is the bad guy in this, I believe it worthy of note that we have reached the 24 hour mark of relative peace. F&B and B.D. have both publicly announced not acting mature, many more of us could probably own up to that admission if we were honest. So, where to go from here? Let me make another analogy, pretend Isreal and the Palestinians stopped fighting for some reason, one could side with one group and say the other was more at fault, possibly flaring tensions again, or one could move forward and try to be vigilant against new abuses. I’m going to opt for the latter. We are all free here, and I give you credit Chris for putting both your first and last name behind what you say, but I would humbly suggest saving the blame game for a future time. How about it? I’m kind of resigned to the idea that peace never lasts forever and we will all have our chance to hurl personal barbs at each other at a future time, but let us enjoy the civility for as long as it lasts.
@Mike 300 Spartans, Absolutely, keep it civil. Let’s not allow this discussion of a very serious issue to be Hi-Jacked by lewdness and profane childish behavior. Keep it on track and ignore the din from the gutter.
The economy is cooling off again. Cash for Clunkers created a brief upturn but that is subsiding. This may be an Ideal time to consider some adjustments to the current health care system in this country due to high levels of unemployment and fewer options for the “working poor”.
For example; changes related to portability of insurance plans, pre-existing conditions exclusions, more common sense in policy pricing based solely on the number of insured people (and maybe their ages) but not limited to single vs family, limitations on liability, etc. But this IS NOT the time to re-create the entire system.
@Fandb, But on the plus side, FandB, the Olympic Committee rejected the U.S. hosting the Olympics, which is making conservatives rejoice across the board. Conservatives at the Americans for Prosperity conference applauded when they heard it, apparently wanting prosperity for Americans, just not for people who live Illinois. Michelle Malkin, who apparently has ESP, knew the real reason he went was to please some rich people in Chicago, apparently because he’s mayor of Chicago, not President of the United States. The National Review laughingly equated the rejection for the U.S. bid to mean Obama can’t deal with Iran. And Rush Limbaugh called it the “worst day of his presidency.” (Wow, if that’s the worst day of his presidency, then Obama’s been having a fantastic year so far.)
I’m rejoicing too. Rejoicing that yet again conservatives show their true colors and that the GOP is the real Party of Hate, willing to put Party before Country.
I guess we can finally retire, once and for all, that tired, “Country First” GOP slogan.
@Bad Dog, He went to make sure him and his cronies would be able to pilfer millions from the development of an Olympic venue in Chicago. Too bad, I guess they will just have to contrive another crises instead.
@vegofish, And your proof is …?
I didn’t think so.
And contrive another crisis like … what? The fruitless occupation of Iraq? The Bush recession? The threat of collapse of the banking industry? I’d say Bush gave him plenty of crises to deal with, and the people of the United States gave him the mandate to deal with them. Anything else is just your speculation.
@Bad Dog, He is a dirty Chicago pol, We know how he rolls, proof enough.
@vegofish, Judging by recent approval polls I think “mandate” is a bit to strong of a word. In fact “mandate” may be closer to a description of your weekend activities than anything concerning this president.
@vegofish, Bush claimed a mandate on a razor thin majority.
He said, “I have political capital and I intend to spend it.”
Obama won with 53% of the popular vote to McCain’s 46%.
He won with 365 electoral votes out of 173.
I’d call that a mandate. I understand why you wouldn’t. Your team lost. Big.
Here’s another reason why it was a mandate.
Your team got its ass whipped in that and the previous Congressional elections, giving the Democrats a large majority in both houses of Congress. Now don’t get excited, Vego. I was speaking metaphorically about ass whipping.
I laughed at the “mandate” joke. I actually found it funny. Too bad “littleboydate” isn’t a real word, though, or I could describe your weekends, and make you laugh, too.
@Bad Dog,
@vegofish, The proof is he is a “dirty Chicago pol” and that you “know how he rolls.”
No, that’s not proof. That’s you criticizing the President, which is fine and dandy, based purely on the fact you hate his guts because he’s not Republican, which is not fine and dandy.
Or maybe I’ll accept your assertion but you’ll accept mine. All Republicans are self-hating closet gays because they are “repressed dirty Republican pols” and Democrats, having to serve alongside them in Congress, “know how those GOP perverts roll.”
Do you accept my proof?
@Bad Dog, Good thing I am not a Republican. Look moron, it was an opinion. An opinion, based on his own words. He wants us to look at his relationships to determine his views and motivations. Well,
this looks like a Tony Rezko moment to me. If you want to ignore the palm greasing style of politics they are famous for in Chicago, go ahead. I am not at all surprised. I will say though, I do like him better than the hypocritical lying (put your adjective here ****) he is married to.
@vegofish, Yeah, that’s right, nobody around here has the balls to simply say what they are. I forgot about that. That’s how we have a guy like Doster who’s pretty much a fascist saying he’s “moderately right of center.” Uh huh. Then we have others pretending to be libertarians, debating over whether the L is upper or lower case like anybody cares. Dude, in my world, you’re a Republican. You argue for Republican causes, you repeat Republican propaganda, you probably vote for their candidates. So nice try, but I’m not buying.
So I’m a “moron?”? Let’s backtrack. You pulled an opinion out of the cavernous ass where you keep most of your political views, I asked you for proof, and as proof you said, “Well, we know how they roll,” I called that what it was—crap—and now I’M the moron. Riiiight.
I’m glad you have such patriotic fervor for Brazil. So much for “country first”!
@Bad Dog, Vegofish is right, that is the way Chicago politics work. I live near Chicago, and over the last several weeks, the feeling among the people regarding the Olympics has been quite mixed. Not by party line, just by individual preference. Many felt that having the Olympics in Chicago would not be such a good thing for the city, or for this area.
Hosting the Olympics does not bring in much revenue compared to the costs. The big payoff goes to the developers who build the “Olympic Village” – and in fact, the people/companies in line for these contracts were friends of Obama, or friends of friends. Other of Obama’s “friends” include people who were selling “slum” buildings (i.e. slumlords) for exorbitant profits.
The fact that these people were mainly democrats is understandable in such a democrat dominated city. Whether republican or democrat doesn’t really matter much, the politicians, the big developers, the big bankers and big lawyers, the wealthy industrialists, entertainers, etc, in effect – the elite – all hang around together and know each other. So, while it is a fact that Obama’s “friends” stood to make huge profits from the Olympics, those same people could be considered to “friends” of any number of politicians in this area.
I personally believe the Olympic committe made the right decision. There has never been an Olympiad in South America, and South America (particularly Brazil) has been growing in importance to the world economy.
*** Too bad we couldn’t keep the comments out of the gutter for more than a day or two. Let’s reset the clock and try again, or not. Just realize that taking the focus away from the discussion and into petty name-calling and personal attacks only weakens your argument, and strengthens the opposing point of view.
@Fandb, Then you are saying that it would be a good idea if the U.S. never hosted the Olympics again, because the rich developer friends of local party machines would get contracts to build the Olympic Village, which you claim is the only major financial benefit to the area and its residents. Or even if there wasn’t a corrupt local party machine, any American city should not host the Olympics, as again there is no net financial benefit. So that means if Houston were to be turned down while Bush was President, you would rejoice just as much, because this isn’t about petty partisanship, this is about what’s right for America. Right?
@Bad Dog, No. But we shouldn’t do it on the basis of financial benefit or lack thereof. The U.S. should host the Olympics in the interest of international unity. I would have personally enjoyed having the Olympics right in my backyard, so to speak. But there are many around here who were opposed to it for various reasons.
I also believe, as I said, that the Olympic committee made the right choice. The U.S. has hosted the games recently but Brazil never has.
Rejoice? I don’t think rejoice is really appropriate, but I’m not upset about it. Ditto your Houston scenario.
@Fandb, I just reported you to Sarah Palin at Wingnut Central. Some pasty looking guys in black suits are going to come to your home soon and reeducate you. If you keep saying radical things like “international unity” and socialist things like “we shouldn’t do it on the basis of financial benefit,” they are going to throw you out of Crazy Club.
At least we agree there shouldn’t be rejoicing. So since you find rejoicing distasteful in this situation, you will join me in condemning the National Review, Rush Limbaugh and your good friend Michelle Malkin for rejoicing in the United States of America being snubbed.
@cld, You must be a figment of somebody’s twisted imagination. Nobody is this big a dick.
I thought we were done with the little dumb games for a few weeks. But it’s all you know. You don’t know how to have a conversation without being a right wing asshole.
Stop trying to intellectualize being a whiny little pansy and grow up. Or go f*** yourself. I don’t care. Either way, you’re just a whiny little gnat on my day.
@Chris Doster doesn’t know when to quit being a jerk, Profanity vs. Non-profanity, vulgarity vs. non-vulgarity. Someone wants to liberate us, or should I say LIBERALate us. See we conservatives have this problem of having moral standards, the reason it is a “problem” is sometimes we are hypocrates, we preach against immorality and/or profanity and yet sometimes, I admit myself included, we break our own rules. Thats where liberalism offers more freedom, freedom to continuously wallow in the gutter and be proud of it. No hypocracy there, none. Hats off to you.
@Mike 300 Spartans, If that is honestly what you think, then sadly, you obviously don’t understand liberalism. My advice is not to criticize what you don’t understand.
What I can tell you is being a liberal has nothing to do with whether you have the temperament to put up with a jerk, and are willing to be a jerk to fight a jerk since that’s all the jerk understands. I’m not equating the fact that Chris Doster is obnoxious and obviously mentally ill with the fact that he has right wing views. I’m surprised you would do so.
It also strikes me as funny how the person you hold to a lower standard, me, the liberal, gets your “wallow in the gutter” comment, while Doster, whom you hold in higher regard as a fellow conservative and higher standard because Republicans preach Whatever Version of Morality Suits Them Individually Best at That Particular Time as Long as It’s Not Inconvenient(TM), gets a gentle admonition.
Case in point:
Mike to CLD: “A note of caution, regardless of the accuracy (or not) of saying bad dog is the bad guy in this, I believe it worthy of note that we have reached the 24 hour mark of relative peace.”
Mike to Bad Dog: “Thats where liberalism offers more freedom, freedom to continuously wallow in the gutter and be proud of it. No hypocracy there, none. Hats off to you.”
Using your own rules of criticizing people, Mike, I can only conclude:
You have a double standard. One set of rules of conduct for conservatives, and one for liberals.
Conservativism = hypocrisy. Since you are being a hypocrite, and you are a conservative, therefore all conservatism is hypocrisy.
And finally, I praise you for your honesty at being a hypocrite.
I wonder what you were like in school. There was probably a bully who would threaten and intimidate people he didn’t like. Then one kid punched him in the nose to make him stop. Then you yelled at the kid who punched the bully for being violent. Probably equated his favorite bands with a penchant for violence.
Maybe you should go back to Doster and tell him to stop wallowing in the gutter. I’d be only too happy to stop trading juvenile insults, which are amusing for a while for the sheer novelty of it, but ultimately a waste of time. Calling somebody like Doster an ass, because he is an ass, is hardly as enjoyable as shredding his weak, childlike arguments in honest debate.
Think on that for a bit.
@Bad Dog, My opinion of you is this: I think you are very perceptive. On the portion I wish to address, I consider you dead on, you are right, what I wrote as a response to Chris was what I meant to be a gentle rebuke, to you it was as harsh as I could make it. Let me make a comparison that I’m sure someone with your intellect will understand, the point is for you to get where I’m coming from. Say there was a boxing match and I was in Chris’s corner, I’m on his side but I see what I consider a low blow and call him out on it, going against my own guy, in support of the opponent, just to try to keep it clean, ofcourse the admonition will be as gentle as possible, you don’t see any baseball coaches screaming at umpires when the call goes the wrong way it their favor do you? But, you seeing me going against my guy, to try to keep things clean, you respond with a kick to the groin. That’s how I see it. Total undermining my effort to keep it clean.
@Mike 300 Spartans, LOL, Mike, as always I enjoy reading what you write, even when you sock it to me. I think I get it: You’re the bully’s friend.
I do appreciate your efforts at keeping it clean. You’re a nice guy. The thing is, when it comes to bad behavior, I’m not. That’s my bad.
@Bad Dog, OK B.D. we all have are weaknesses. Perhaps you might want to try getting a bracelet that says: W.W. Kaye Harris.D.? that you could wear while writing on blogs. You are right again about me when you conclude I consider myself a friend of Chris. I really didn’t read much of the stuff you guys slung at each other. I suspect he is gone off this site now. I’m sure you won’t need a hanky but I’ll miss him if he is gone. But I do have the ability to move on, perhaps I can author an article or two.
@Mike 300 Spartans, LOL (about the bracelet idea), Mike. You have discovered me and FandB’s Kryptonite.
On to serious things: If Doster is gone, he will only have himself to blame. But if his past pattern is any indication, I doubt he’s actually gone. In fact, I’ll bet you $100 right now he’ll be back very, very soon. So don’t worry about that. And then I’ll criticize what he writes because I think it’s vicious and based on childish logic, and he’ll stalk every post I write with randomly generated free association poetry that includes the themes: 1) Bad Dog is liberal, 2) Bad Dog is mean, 3) GTL was once a good site back when it was a right wing circle jerk, 4) Bad Dog (TM) is a character created by GTL to boost ratings because GDA said this was the only way to explain how my ridiculously insane liberal theories could be tolerated, and 5) I’m going to quit because of him, 6) I’m quitting now, 7) OK I mean it this time,
Hey Scooby, 9) Scooby, etc. etc.
I think you should write an article, Mike. You’re 1) clever, 2) you’re not a whiner, 3) you are particular about things like “facts,” and 4) you’re not made of glass that breaks the second a liberal shows up. I’d personally like to hear you explain why you are a conservative. Because I have to be honest with you, on the stuff that matters, we have agreed more often than not. It’s always on the irritating propaganda stuff that doesn’t matter but obsesses today’s right wingers where we part ways—Pelosi’s a bitch, liberals hate corporations and rich people, etc. etc.
@Bad Dog, That would be a tough bet to consummate or validate. Of course I can see you making it though, I suspect it is a bet you wouldn’t mind losing. Much like Rush predicting Chicago must already be in the bag for the Olympics, if it came true, then he looks like an insightful prognosticator, if as it happened, Rush was wrong, then, as he did (although I didn’t hear the show) he can point out another failure of the current administration. It was a win/win bet for him. Nothing wrong with those kind of bets, but excuse me if I discount the skill to predict something like that. I’ve had an idea of an article that I think is mostly politically neutral but challenging. I tend to start far more projects than I finish. Well evil one, I bid you a good night.
@Mike 300 Spartans, I cannot WAIT to receive that guest column of yours, Mike 300 — whenever you’re ready, Sir….
@ Bad Dog — Still waiting for yours?
@ CLD — Still waiting for yours?
@ Vegofish — Still waiting for yours?
C’Mon, now — don’t leave a brother hangin’
@The GTL™, I had the flu earlier this week and it crushed everybody in our house, and I’m still dragging. I’ll do my best!
@The GTL™, Ya gotta love that Canadian health care system!
FandB, Huh? What does catching the flu have to do with the Canadian health system? Was that a typical cheap shot, or were you being amusing?
@The GTL™, Cheap shot. Clearly.
@The GTL™, But at the same time, extremely amusing
What a profound mystery! Massive public support, overwhelming majority in the house, senate, and ownership of the White House, yet they can’t get the job done. Where is the problem? Are they just an extra careful bunch that wants to make sure they get it right? No evidence of that the way they passed the Tarp bill and Stimulus bill. Hmmm, this is quite a conundrum. Shame on them for being so fearful of the sparsely populated republican noise machine that manufactures sounds similar to roaring groundswells of public opposition.
@Mike 300 Spartans, Maybe it isn’t so much that they can’t get things done as that they don’t want to. They are not very experienced and are very unsure of their policies, so they want republican support. Otherwise they put themselves in a position where the republicans can say the democrats screwed this up and screwed that up but all the republicans were voting against those things.
Of course, all their denials of the groundswells of public opposition are just as hollow as the suit Obama wears.
@Fandb, Amen to that F&B- you are definately preaching to the choir with me
I’m just telling them to stop being chickens about it, they think their plans are going to eliminate unemployment and health problems, let them run with it, we need to give them enough rope for them to accomplish what they are doing to themselves.
@Mike 300 Spartans, Yeah, Mike, let’s hope they fail to actually solve unemployment and health problems. That’ll teach them a thing or two about hubris.
The truth is, Mike, there are three political parties in America:
The conservative “blue dog” Democrats
The moderate liberal Democrats
The batsh** crazy lunatic fringe Republicans
Where are the strong liberals and extreme leftists in position of power in this country? In the typewriters at Fox News, pretty much.
The reason the Democrats can’t get some of their major bills passed is the conservative Democrats are like the Republican Party of yesteryear, and are trying to water them down so much in an effort to appear “moderate” to voters that the measures will end up being expensive and meaningless.
I can’t quite wrap my head around how the left has the chutzpah to call the GOP “the party of no” after eight years of the Dems being freakin’ boat anchors to anything productive.
Eight years of badmouthing our Republic in any and every fora available to them, and dragging our reputation down into the slime and beating their breasts about how horrible the US really is (while sheltering in the freedoms the EEEEE-vvviiillll US protects for all of us, and in many cases using the opportunitites of that the ‘broken and unfair system’ that they loudly claim is evil, oppressive, and unfair to enrich themselves)
After seven years of the Dems whineing “Oh, that idiot (or genius, they couldn’t seem to make up their minds) TRICKED US!” and “We didn’t think he would USE the war powers, so we voted for it just for show, we really didn’t mean it.”
And especailly after 40 years or so of sowing division, race hatered, class hatered, and attempting to balkanize our nation into a thousand subsets of hypenated Americans at the throats of each other.
(n.b. – in most cases I equate Dem, lib, and left as being so close to the sames as makes no differenece – identical triplets if you will. Not to be confused with Liberals – Jefferson was a Liberal. Madison was a Liberal. Franklin was a libertine Liberal, or maybe a Liberal libertine)
@Joe Lovell, Well I obviously don’t agree with you (in fact, if it weren’t for the use of the word “liberal,” it sounded eerily similar to what I imagine as the beginning of a right winger confession and apology). You obviously have the right to slander America, which voted for liberal government in the last election. But let me say this:
Did you thank a soldier today for fighting for your right to say such vicious things about your fellow Americans, those EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-WWIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLL libs?
And since you consider Democrats and liberals to be the same, and President Obama is both, did you then fall on your knees and tearfully and sincerely thank that soldier for putting his life on the line EVERY DAY so you could have the freedom to slander the Commander in Chief during World War III instead of praying for his success against your friends the terrorists?
If you didn’t, shame on you!
Coming Soon: Where you thank the ghosts of the Founding Fathers for not visiting plagues on America in vengeance for your rewriting history so that all of them hold exactly the same views as you.
And where the hell are the NFL picks? Dammit, Guns, you are falling down on the job.
@Joe Lovell, Comin’ up in a minute bro!!!
GTL says “they won the frigging ELECTION and they feel they have an “American Agenda” to fulfill. Not to mention the fact that the polls on the ObamaCare issue strongly favor a public option, too.” Well, I did,with much searching find a “poll” that seemed to proclaim a positive opinion for a public option. The problem is that only 35 percent of those answering in the affirmative were able define what a “public option” was.
All other polls I could find. mainly the polling center at RCP, showed public opinion steadily declining in direct contrast to your assertion.
The majority of Americans are very skeptical of Obamas hollow promises, as well they should be.
@vegofish, I like how you look at a poll and discount it, and then speak from your gut about what the “majority of Americans” are, and propose that we trust your gut over polls.
No thanks!
I didn’t discount it, I qualified it. It was skewed by morons that had no clue what they were talking about. Similiar to the last election, My guess is this poll was probably an acorn driven bit of propaganda. So no, I didn’t discount it. I also didn’t speak from my gut, although I would have reached the same conclusion. Instead, I used polling data from Real Clear Politics, in which I could find NO polls showing a majority approval for Obamcare or the government option. I made no proposals about trusting anything. my gut or otherwise. Do you even read a post before you respond to it or are you really just that stupid?
@vegofish, Actually Vego I hang out at another left site that is full of all lefties.
They have simply started using the polls that ask are you in favor of having more then one option when it comes to choosing health care.
Duh….how funny is that. Are you in favor of having options…..duh.
Additionally this site proclaims that Overwhelmingly Americans want single payer government run healthcare as the ONLY option.
I have found one poll asking that question and it was reference by HUFFPO. 9 NINE percent were in favor of a government ONLY healthcare plan.
The new spin now by the left is to simply ignore their disastersous numbers and just proclaim victory over those dumb Americans.
As Reid said…there will be a public option in any bill thats sent to the Presidents desk. They have 60 votes….why are they even debating this stuff?
@GawdDayumAmerica, Oh, I get it now. When Vegofish asked, “Do you even read a post before you respond to it or are you really just that stupid?”, he was talking to you, not me! Because surely you’ve been paying attention enough to realize why the Democrats have not passed a good healthcare bill even with 60 votes. You still don’t know? Sorry, I’m not hear to teach American Democracy 101. Come back after you learn how our government works.
P.S. Don’t forget the polls that show the Republican Party is less popular than AIDS. Their solution is if you get sick, if you can’t afford critical care, you die, and screw you.
@vegofish, Well, there you go again, saying reality has a liberal bias so we must discount it in favor of information you pull out of your ass, like those assertions about the “majority of Americans” supporting your point of view (perfectly!).
Or maybe we could look at polling data from Real Clear Politics, an entity I’ve never heard of (but have a funny feeling it’s another right wing hack like Rasmussen), which as you say has “NO polls showing a majority approval of ‘Obamacare.’” But of course there’s no link, so it’d be like me saying, “There are NO POLLS, ANYWHERE, PERIOD, showing that a majority of Americans believe Vegofish is not a self-hating gay Republican.” So produce the links to every Real Clear Politics poll on this subject, or accept my belief that you got the “polling” out of your ass.
“Do you even read a post before you respond to it or are you really just that stupid?”
Oh yeah, I’m a total moron. The real geniuses on this site believe Obama is the Antichrist and was born in Indonesia. Or is it Kenya? Argh! See? Duh! I’m a total ditz!
Type in “Real Clear Politics” Click on the public opinion tab and look for yourself. Show me a Poll where a majority of Americans are in favor of government controlled health care. My search failed to reveal an actual public opinion poll that showed what GTL contends is a majority of Americans in favor of Obamacare. The polls I was able to find show skeptisism in the high 40 percent ranges and favorable opinions in the high 30′s to low 40′s. I did find reference to a favorable poll, the one the author claimed that 35 percent of those indicating a favorable opinion of the public option could not explain what it was. After watching the reality of the events of last november unfold, I was certainly not surprised by this assertion. I made the claim before on this sight that Obama was elected by the lowest overall average intelligence,
in the history of this country. Of course this is an opinion as well, but nothing that has happened since has made me change my opinion. If anything the actions of this administration and their Acorn “get the vote out” little helpers have reinforced it. It should be very interesting when the state of Minnesota is forced to investigate the 40 to 50 thousand “new” voters Acorn registered prior to the election. Although I am sure Mickey Mouse would vote for Al Franken, I don’t think we should count his vote. it should be quite revealing how many dead folks were able to come from the grave to vote for Franken as well. This could get very embarrassing for the dimocrats. Kenya, Indonesia, whats it matter the point is, and the truth is, it probably wasn’t Hawaii. If it was actually Hawaii, their wouldn’t be an issue. I find it telling that the left berates conservatives over a theory that would require maybe 10 people to pull off and keep quiet, maybe less, while whole heartedly advancing a theory that would require Thousands of people remaining toatally silent and tens of thousands of man hours to pull off, all undetected. Ain’t that right “truther”.
@vegofish, Sorry, I’m all filled up with right wing crazy today, so I only skimmed this.
@Bad Dog, Grandma knew the truth, but Grandma is gone now. HMMM old age? maybe.
@vegofish, The problem with talking to crazy people is you can never tell when they are joking.
Just remember the SIN principal, Conservatives.
You can only save the savable. Some Liberals just arent savable.
When your talking to a liberal do they commit sin?
S…..Switch. When you talk to a liberal do they switch the subject. You know like you say….Polls show that only 43 percent Favor Obama care and they Respond…Bush is Hitler…Then you know your talking to a liberal.
I….Ignore the Facts…..When you point out that every poll in America says that Obama care is at 43 percent favorable…they find a poll conducted by three kindergarteners that show 66 percent favor Obama care. They simply ignore your facts and keep on spouting talking points. Then you know your talking to a liberal.
N….Name Call. When they run out of talking points and your still there….they just start calling you names….Then you know your talking to a liberal.
Remember guys….we can only save some of them. Not all of them. GTL might be savable. I dont think so much Bad Dog.
@GawdDayumAmerica, LMAO
@GawdDayumAmerica, That’s so funny. Here’s how you know if you’re talking to a right wing dick. The dick will:
D … Distort polling data, and all other information in his world, to support his preconceived prejudices.
I … Ignore reality, insisting that the people he doesn’t like is engaged in a vast left wing conspiracy.
C … Be as Condescending as possible whenever proven wrong.
K … Be a Know-it-all, rattling off random facts and then making vast leaps of logic to say those facts support the fact he’s right and there is a vast left wing conspiracy.
Some are more dicks than others. I give GDA a dick rating of 8. On a scale of 1 to 5.
Be careful, guys. It’s like Nietzsche says: “Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster.”
@Bad Dog, See this is what Im talking about Bad Dog you just committed SIN.
@GawdDayumAmerica, And you were just a DICK. I see how this works now!
@Bad Dog, Nietzsche also said…….In the end one loves one’s desire and not what is desired.
Nietzsche was also a closet racist. Im surprised you quote him. But then I guess the far left who embrace the atheists love to quote the man who proclaimed “God is dead.” because it makes them feel empowered to flaunt philosophy.
Interesting that you would call me names and then flaunt Nietzsche who also said about man….
And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
You have gazed too long into the Abyss Bad Dog. Time to come up for air.
@GawdDayumAmerica, By the way Bad Dog my favorite Philosopher was
Soren Kierkegaard. Especially his work in existentialism and his views on a third way of life, the possibility of living by faith in the modern world by emphasizing the importance of the individual and developing a conception of subjective truth.
All man is on a journey. All man must make his way from dark to light. You are born alone, you live alone and you die alone. How you make the leap from the dark to the light speaks volumes about how you arrive at your desired destination.
Have you ever noticed that almost all philosophers and great men suffered from Depression. Even old Honest Abe suffered from severe “Melancholy”.
@GawdDayumAmerica, I admit I enjoy Kierkegaard’s philosophy as well. Thanks for your thoughtful post.
@GawdDayumAmerica, I like how you act indignant I would quote somebody you believe is a “closet racist” but attribute this to the “far left” wanting to “feel empowered and flaunt philosophy.”
But then you go ahead and quote Nietzsche. Twice.
Don’t forget the wisdom of Michael Jackson, GDA, which may help you through this mini moment of major hypocrisy:
After seeing how happy the wingnuts are at the United States losing its bid to host the Olympics, I have to admit I didn’t know that when they say, “Country First!”, that country is Brazil!
@Bad Dog, I guess the IOC has been listening to the greatest hits of the Obama world apology tour.
I mean would you really want to have the Olympics in a country so morally depraved as the United States? A country so stricken with racism and bigotry. Who in their right minds would send the Olympics to such a “down right mean” country as The United States?
@vegofish, All I see is right wingers apologizing to the world that we have a Democratic president.
I think you owe your patriotism an apology.
Losing the bid was a blessing for Chicago and the country, saving it hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars in debt, that we the taxpayers would have ended up picking up the tab for. This whole endeavor was about stroking the massive ego of Michelle Obama, and of course all the goodies they and their friends would collect from the development.
Whether it was a good thing for Chicago or the country was obviously irrelevant. Hosting an olympics in this era is a financial black hole.
Madame First Lady could barely wait for all the adulation she would get for “bringing home the Olympics”, and her husband was already counting the favors he would be owed.
Congratulations Rio, and thank you
@vegofish, Country* First!
*Brazil