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44′s 48th Brings More Of The Wackos Out Of The Woodwork…
Dear Chuck “Charlie” Norris,
Thank you so much for your well-wishes for my 48th birthday celebration and please keep up the great work, Sir! Without you keeping the “Birthers” stirred up, loud, proud and obnoxious, 2012 would probably amount to a landslide defeat of my reelection bid. I would like to be able to tell you I could produce the additional certificates of live birth you and your fellow “deep thinkers” seek but I just cannot make such a promise — at this particular time anyway.
I’m also honored to learn when you see my face, your thoughts go immediately to your lovely wife, Gena (I think???). Oh well, let’s move on, shall we?
At this moment, I must cut my “Thank You” response to your “Happy Birthday, Mr. President” wishes because I plan to celebrate my birthday in my homeland of Kenya and my fellow Muslim countrymen and women anxiously await my timely arrival; my turban has been dry cleaned and is ready to wear proudly.
Allah Ahkbar, Mr. Norris, and Yours Truly:
President (Wink!) Barack Hussein Obama
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Other blogger responses to 44′s 48th: Rich “Big Vinny” Lieberman of The San Francisco Chronicle points out that even Mike Huckabee and Ann Coulter are calling out these “Birther” types now; THE Alan Colmes of Liberaland points out the obvious — even if Obama DID comply with these peoples’ requests, they’d just claim the reason it took so long to produce it because it took that long to “phony it all up”
Apparently all those blows to the head do add up.
(keeps a dignified silence about blows and heads)
Puts me in mind of all the empty headed drones who were ranting about Bush conspiracies from the get-go. And kept it up for 8 years. But somehow, they were “expressing valid concerns’ according to such MSM stalwarts as Kos, MoveON, and FuhhPo (sic) – I typoed that and decided I like it – Phroidian (sic) lingere, maybe. But all a part of the liberal double standard, if they do it, it is reasonable, if a moderate or conservative does it it becomes moonbattery. Like the way the MSM puts down the “teabaggers” as they call them. I guess the tax protesters and 10th amendment advocates should start breaking windows, looting stores, burning cars and churches, and other such peaceable actions to be considered real protesters expressing honest concerns with the government. Just like the leftists did.
Hey, I thought dissent was “patriotic”? And just like Joe Lovell mentioned, the 911 Truthers were never called out on their insane comments. Why the hypocrisy? And yes, I do believe Obama is a US citizen.
Thanks, Lisa. (Good name – same as my wife). I too think he is – 99 44/100s sure, BUT, because of his efforts to keep it hidden from public view (heck, to keep all his records from public view), I keep wondering what this guy who promised a fully tranparent administration is trying to hide. Wasn’t that a major promise of his? That everything would be open to We the People, not like that EEE-vviiilll idiot/genius Pres. Bush, who kept everything secret?
Joe,
I too wonder why so many of Obama’s records are kept sealed. If he truly believes in being “transparent” he should have nothing to hide. And I’m not talking about his birth certificate, either. I’m talking about these records:
Occidental College records — Not released
Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
Harvard College records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Not released
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
Law practice client list — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles published – None
University of Chicago scholarly articles – None
Illinois State Senate records–”not available”
Why not just release this information if you have nothing to hide?
Lisa
Everyone with a brain in their head called out the 9-11 “Troofers”. That is the very reason I wish those on the right would give up this “Birther” nonsense. I mean, does anyone really want to be the Rosie O’Donnel of the Right?
Joe
The great hypocrisy of the Right has been ranting about gays and “family values” while being disingenuous to say the least. The great hupocrisy of the Left has always been free speech. Dissent is only patriotic coming from the Left. Coming from the Right it is “mob rule” and “subversive” Just look at the hissy fit the Left is currently pitching over the Obama Joker posters and the townhall folks that dare to question their elected officials.
BTW check out my blog for my take on the Obama joker. Plus feel free to copy it and write your own caption. Just remember while doing so….Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
Chuck, which is better to preach morals – like fideltity to your spouse, and fall short of your ideal?
Or to be amoral, and have no ideal to strive towards?
You are close to my complaint about the left. It breys about being O! so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive. But woe unto them that have different views and don’t fit the lefts stereotype.
Chuck: “the townhall folks that dare to question their elected officials” – I heard this morning that our democrat “administration” is now insinuating that the people who “disrupted” the town hall meetings by asking perfectly valid questions and expressing perfectly valid concerns were “plants” from the insurance industry. Looks like there aren’t any more left wing moonbats because we elected them all.
Amen, Joe Lovell.
Lisa – It is best at this point to just accept that the whole “transparency” theme Obama harped on during the campaign was just another Lie.
The records you mention, along with information on how he was able to get into Pakistan at a time when their border was closed to U.S. citizens, will never be released and there is really nothing We The People can do about it.
Actually, the only thing We The People can do about it is to start voting democrats out of office starting in 2010.
Remember; accept the things you can’t change, change the things you can, and have the wisdom to know the difference.
Joe
I prefer to preach amorally. That way I’m covered.
F&B
Of course they’re plants. NO ONE would otherwise question a massive government expansion that will likely put our children into wage slavery to the Fed’s for their adult lives. I mean; What could go wrong?
@FandB: Wow, reading Lisa in #5, I thought you were the same people. I guess that’s why they call you dittoheads!
@Chuck: How dare the Democrats accuse the insurance industry of planting protesters? Corporations are so pure and beautiful, they would NEVER do such a thing, even when their bloated profits (at your expense, har har) are on the line. Just like the Republicans would NEVER send staffers to the Dade County election offices and disrupt the vote recount in Florida in 2000, while spinning it as a popular protest–oh wait, that’s exactly what they did.
@Joe: When you say liberals are tolerant only for their own views, you are describing no liberals I know of. But if one is obnoxious, one can only expect to receive the same treatment. Maybe that’s what is upsetting you about liberals–the shovel coming back?
I love how you consider the Daily Kos, a liberal website, and MoveOn, a liberal political organization that publishes no media, to be the mainstream media. It’s funny how the teabaggers, although puny in number and nutty to the ear, got so much media attention, while massive antiwar protests in 2003 got virtually no media attention. But I guess one sees what one wants to see, if one is afraid of things that might upset his carefully constructed prejudices. You need to believe in a liberal MSM. If you’re that far gone, go for it. I don’t care.
As for the 9/11 Truth Movement, I wonder that you consider it a liberal thing, as it’s not a left/right thing. It’s gotten only minimal attention, and that being ridicule; I wish it got more attention. While I don’t agree with the many conspiracy theories, I believe many simple questions went unanswered, and the 9/11 Commission Report contained some verifiable lies that make the document questionable.
Surely, an American citizen would want to question the official version of such an important event. Unless one blindly follows whatever the government does but only if a leader from the same political party is in charge. Such a person is surely not a real patriot, but a person who puts party before country, don’t you think?
“Surely, an American citizen would want to question the official version of such an important event. Unless one blindly follows whatever the government does but only if a leader from the same political party is in charge. Such a person is surely not a real patriot, but a person who puts party before country, don’t you think?”
Project much, Bad Dog? You criticize us for questioning Obama, and you post this? Oh, and I’m not a dittohead. I happen to be very Libertarian, thank you very much! I question all Government authority, regardless of who is President. You should, too!
“Project much, Bad Dog?”
Huh?
“You criticize us for questioning Obama, and you post this? Oh, and I’m not a dittohead. I happen to be very Libertarian, thank you very much! I question all Government authority, regardless of who is President. You should, too!”
Yes, I criticize you for questioning Obama. You can criticize Obama all you want–I have my own criticisms–it’s just that when the criticisms are either outright lies (like the birther garbage), or insanely stupid (like we need more deregulation to fix the economy), or rely on generalizations of liberals as a big mean evil cabal–when then I just gotta say something. Sorry if it upsets you.
As for being a Libertarian, I’m sure you are. And you repeat the exact same talking points as F&B, almost word for word. Either this is a case of two brilliant minds working in the same direction, which I sincerely doubt, or you’re repeating the same talking point. As I’ve seen the list other places right down to the same rhetorical question “What is he hiding?”, except F&B adds more question marks than you, I’d have to go with talking point.
As for questioning all government authority, regardless of who is President, I couldn’t agree more with you. Dissent truly is the highest form of patriotism. But I don’t see anybody in the media calling you a traitor for doing it, as I was for eight years. Is anybody asking you if you want the terrorists to win? Is anybody asking you if why you hate America? Is anybody asking you patronizingly if you thanked a soldier today for your right to say your trivial criticisms against our Commander in Chief during wartime?
No? Well, then you don’t know what being criticized for dissent means.
Nice to meet you!
Dang. Miss a little, miss a lot. I was going to use that “great minds think alike” line, but I wouldn’t want to be insulting to Lisa. Anyway, glad to have you aboard Lisa. Two more years and we can start voting the bums out.
The main thing Obama hid from the American People during his campaign was the fact the he is and always will be a Chicago machine democrat who is determined to instill his own brand of Socialism on We The People.
Regardless of what may or may not have been said by the MSM, I don’t recall anyone on this site calling anyone else a traitor simply because that person was expressing dissent against the Bush Administration.
Perhaps not this site, I couldn’t say, as I wasn’t here, but in MSM certainly. But that might offend your notion that the MSM is liberal, so my observation is surely falling on deaf ears. I marvel at how two people, obviously of average or above intelligence, can have the exact same basic principles, but then look at a frog and call it by different names. You look at the MSM and see mean liberals. I see rabid conservatives. You look at Obama and see a Socialist. I look at Obama and see a wishy washy center-right conservative. I can only conclude the two ends will never meet, will never agree. This is probably not that bad a thing. Liberals and conservatives have been disagreeing on what a frog is for probably thousands of years. But sometimes seeing it in action makes me sit back in amazement.
Yo Dog,
Really just curious here. What are 2-3 views (established positions or things he’s done, voted for, or pushed as Pres) Barak Obama holds that you think pull him to the right? Not challenging mind you, just trying to understand better your lense (or worldview if you will).
A couple issues – just throwing this out in no particular order:
Tax Policy – Seems more populist than anything else, but I’d have to say he leans left due to propoals to increase taxes on the “wealthy”. He, like Bush, threw out a useless bone called a payroll tax cut (Bush called it a stimulus check – whatever, they sucked).
Energy and Healthcare – Seems to favor a very large increase in Fed Govt involvement. To me, I would say generally those to things are to the left of center.
Social Stuff – Definitely left (of mainstream – previous votes) on abortion (ex. funding for overseas abortions which has been kicked left and right by the last 3 or 4 Presidents) and left on gay marriage (wants to repeal DOMA), though more left on the former than the latter.
Spending (general). I think he is going to increase the deficit more 4 years than Bush did in 8. Not sure if this really left or right (conservative icon Reagan cranked up deficits also), but I think it sucks so I threw it in.
Later all,
Steve
P.S. I may not post on this one again since I’m starting to have visions of GTL’s photoshop of Chuck N. while I sleep. It’s really creeping me out.
@SJ: Thanks for your post. Good questions, good list. I’ll address your comments first, then add my own where I think Obama has established himself as center-right.
Regarding tax policy, the richest Americans have received several significant tax cuts since the Reagan era. Obama’s plan is to raise taxes to lower than they were during the Clinton years. That’s hardly “soaking the rich.”
Regarding energy and healthcare, Obama is using government to try to reduce dependence on oil. That’s absolutely true. Not sure how conservation became a left/right thing. There are millions of real conservatives who believe in conservation, not waste. In my hometown, there was some right wing idiot who built a machine that soaked up electricity for no apparent purpose, and ran it in public to make a big point on Earth Day this year. What a moron.
On healthcare, Obama is definitely more liberal than Bush, but what’s going to happen to healthcare has nothing to do with right wing fears. These are the talking points, and all of them are FALSE:
• Employees of the “Government Healthcare Bureaucracy” will have access to all American financial and personal records;
• The government will set doctors’ wages;
• The choice to purchase private health insurance will be eliminated;
• And government will control end-of-life decisions and encourage euthanasia and assisted suicide for the elderly.
These are all lies, and oh, by the way, many of the loudmouths shouting down Congressmen at townhalls with the sole intent of disrupting a democratic forum for all people to speak their minds–are, in fact, paid by the insurance industry. I hope they’re well paid. It must be nice to be a professional ****bird.
On social issues, Obama is more liberal than Bush on abortion and gay rights, but hardly liberal. He talks a big game, hems and haws, and does little. He is against gay marriage.
On spending, he was handed the greatest financial crisis since 1929, a massive deficit created by 8 years of Republican rule, and the deepest recession since 1982. If he did nothing, it would have been a Depression, or so people like Nobel-winning economists tell me. As for GM, do you know how many American workers depend on the car manufacturing sector? So it hardly makes him a socialist that he’s trying to help the economy with stimulus spending. He’s not a socialist, obviously, and might not normally even be a big spender.
So yes, Obama is more liberal than Bush, but no socialist and barely liberal. Here are six ways he’s shown himself to not be a liberal:
Regarding Habeas Corpus, Obama is expanding the Bush doctrine that the government can declare anybody it wants a terrorist and put them in jail indefinitely and without charge. This right is the underpinning of all our rights as American citizens.
Obama is doing nothing to address massive military spending that we simply don’t need. We outspend the next 25 countries combined. Instead, he wants to expand military spending.
He has not approached the financial industry crashing the economy with any meaningful regulation or accountability, pouring good money after bad and setting them up to do it again. This is because the government is owned by big business.
Obama believes the FISA bill providing retroactive immunity for illegal wiretapping of American citizens was a good compromise.
Obama promised to end the occupation of Iraq but we’re never going to leave.
In fact, by his own legislative policy, EVERY piece of legislation that tries to get through the Senate will be watered down by conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans to get past the filibuster, and he’s perfectly fine with water-down legislation. This is what’s happening to healthcare right now.
After eight years of Bush, Obama might seem like the return of Stalin, but he’s just another center-right conservative Democrat and wholly owned corporate subsidiary who’s too afraid to enact a truly progressive agenda that, right or wrong, the American people voted for in 2008.
@SJ — LMFAO @ your PS!!! Sorry to ruin your sleep, bro. Ask your doctor about Ambien
Dog, thanks for your well thought out response! My opinion would still be that Obama is left of center, or to the left of Bill Clinton. It could be my bias (Conservative-libertarian) on certain issues, or it could be because GTL voted for him – not sure which. I would definitely agree that Obama has taken some of the authoritarian aspects of Bush policy and applied them to his purposes.
More time I think is needed to assesss. Obama’s reaction to the 2010 elections (regardless of the result) will tell us much I think.
GTL: “The eyes of the Ranger are upon me…”
SJ: Good discussion. It’s true we’re only 12.5% done with Obama’s presidency so it’s a little early to be writing books with titles like “Culture of Corruption.”
I agree the 2010 elections will be influential. If Congress gets more liberal, he’ll get more liberal. If Congress gets more conservative, he’ll get more conservative. Like all politicians, Obama is a politician–not a messiah, as some liberals would consider him, and not the Antichrist, as some conservatives would consider him. And he has to work with Congress.
I liked Clinton. A lot. He turned me on to the Democratic Party after years of voting independent–that, and Newt Gingrich telling me how to live in a way he approves (but never lived himself). Michael Moore called him “the best Republican President we ever had.” I have to agree with that. Despite their spats, he actually worked well with the Republican Congress.
But I think those policies went too far then, particularly with “free” trade and the growth of corporate power via consolidation of industry and influence in politics. During Bush, those policies went wild, and now we are reaping the whirlwind (and blaming it on the far Left, those useful scapegoats who have no real power in this country nor even a seat at the table).
As a result, given the times, I believe we need a bonafide liberal president who will enact real liberal policies. Obama is liberal in some aspects, as you say, and is perhaps more liberal than Clinton, but overall his policies (with the exception of healthcare) have been centrist, even conservative.
So are you guys on this site Ron Paul fans? Ron Paul seems to be leading the libertarian wing of the GOP. I actually like Ron Paul a lot. Mostly, because he’s honest. He doesn’t say we have to protect Medicare from Obama when he hates Medicare and wants to see it destroyed. I respect that. He also believes in a small government across the board, including the military, and opposed the war in Iraq–the sole voice in the media, unfortunately, actually stating the main objection that should have been stated many times: It simply wasn’t in our national interest. I don’t agree with Paul on everything else–he would love to see all social programs gone, let the free market do whatever it wanted, and we could all go back to the 1800s and become poor.
What do you think of Paul? Is there anybody else on your team that you like right now? Do you think Palin has a chance to run for President in 2012?
Hey Dog,
I was not on the internets much at all this weekend.
I like Paul alot as I have been trending more libertarian in my views over the last few years. I ended up voting for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. Like Paul, you would probably like some of his views – but he (a very outspoken baptist preacher) would probably still tick you off! Still, its hard to see a guy like that getting elected – and harder still to see one like him last more than one term. Let’s face it, if Paul was President, unlike Bush, we all know exactly what a VETO pen looks like. The media would probably characterize him as a “do nothing”.
Palin – I just don’t know. She has a strong populist appeal (us against them) not all that dissimilar from many of our recent candidates (both parties). She needs depth though. I’m sorry, but you’ve got to be able to run rings around someone like Katie Couric (and other similar media lightweights) in one-on-one interviews. The American electorate (overall – not us of course!) has short memories though, so I wouldn’t count her out – especially if she has money to get on TV, the lifeblood of politics these days.
Looking back on the Clinton years (I did vote for him twice – was more liberal then), you have to give credit as well to an idealistic Republican congress balancing this out. Remember those guys – fiscal responsiblity and term limits. Boy did that change after they had power! Ultimately, they both have to give some credit to an overheated economy (Greenspan) which increased tax revenues a bit artificially during the stock run-up. I would argue they could have done a better job managing Gov’t growth longterm during this time but didn’t take advantage – partisan sniping that continues to this day.
Anyway, I’m sure we’ll get a chance to talk about upcoming elections in a future thread – unless the GTL spends too much time on the range and forgets to keep us informed.
Steve