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Happy Black Friday To All — Including Those Wal-Mart Employees Who’ve Survived Without Losing Life Or Limb

November 28th, 2008 · 68 Comments · Corporatism, Duh!, Rants, Think

Wal-Mart Early Bird Specials Bring Death, Misery And Injuries To Workers And Shoppers

Unfettered capitalism and bum rush Black Friday crowds strike again - at least one worker dead - others injured in Wal-Mart stampede...Rest In Peace, womever you are; an unidentified worker at Wal-Mart’s Valley Stream store in Long Island, N.Y. Your death at the feet of “eager” Black Friday “early bird specials” shoppers (Source: NY Daily News) was not in vain. No, Sir — you gave your life for “The Smiley Faced One”, underregulated capitalism, and the right for your fellow Citizens to bring potentially deadly, cheap Chinese crappola into their homes at deep, deep discounts. Happy BLACK Friday, America…

A couple of “snips” from the referenced New York Daily New piece:

… “He was bum-rushed by 200 people,” said Jimmy Overby, 43, a co-worker. “They took the doors off the hinges. He was trampled and killed in front of me. They took me down too…I literally had to fight people off my back.”

The unidentified victim was rushed to an area hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 6:03 a.m., police said. …”

(Snip!)

“… A 28-year-old pregnant woman was knocked to the floor during the mad rush. She was hospitalized for observation, police said. Early witness accounts that the woman suffered a miscarriage were unfounded, police said.

Three other shoppers suffered minor injuries, cops said.

Wal-Mart spokesman Dave Tovar called the incident a “tragic situation.”

“The safety and security of our customers and associates is our top priority,” Tovar said, noting that the victim was a temporary maintenance worker. …”

Note the last “snip” above — “.. noting that the victim was a temporary maintenance worker.

Thank you for pointing that out, Mr. Tovar. In other words, there is a DIFFERENCE between protecting regular hires and seasonal hires at my FAVORITE RETAILER. The value of a human life means more to Wally-World World Headquarters in Bentonville, Arkansas if that life belongs to a “regular” worker versus a “seasonal” or “temporary” worker apparently, unless I’m reading too much into that statement by Dave Tovar. But, I suppose that isn’t really the point, is it?

The larger point is — WAKE UP, AMERICA. Last but not least; could this fall under one of the many (way, too many) definitions of “domestic terrorism” and if so, who really IS the “terrorist” in this case?

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    • JerrySpringerLivesinGOP

      GTL, You Said “The larger point is — WAKE UP, AMERICA. Last but not least; could this fall under one of the many (way, too many) definitions of “domestic terrorism” and if so, who really IS the “terrorist” in this case?”

      BINGO!

    • The Heretik

      Warning…

      WARNING: Shopping and working at Walmart may be hazardous to your health.  Sacrifice one more sheep on the altar of consumerism.

      ……

    • Tix!!

      I covered this story today too.

      It made me sick to my stomach. Same kinda thing happened last year, but nobody died. I guess they had to wait for someone to die?

      And who goes stomping on one after they’re already dead? Buncha greedy pigs…

      If you’re that low on cash, give a card, I say. Or go shopping in October! Year by year, I am seeing Americans bastardize what the holidays are meant to be all about.

      What ever happened to just being happy to be alive and spending your holidays with loved ones? You know, the very simple things in life?

      The terrorist = Wal-Mart?

    • vegofish

      domestic terrorism?, more like domestic stupidisism.
      when i see pathetic crap like this it makes me think maybe we should just turn the muslim crazies loose on this dispicable trash. are people like this worth fighting for? do they deserve the freedoms they have?
      No, they are apathetic sheep, and i’m sure Obama got most of their votes.

    • Tix!!

      No, they are apathetic sheep, and i’m sure Obama got most of their votes.

      Don’t know whether it’s true or not, but it’s the cliché that Wal-Mart shoppers and Wal-Mart itself are typically Republican based.

      Just wishing the death on all Obama voters is probably the most offensive and Anti-American comment I’ve heard in a while. And how exactly are you any better than those people who stomp in a rush to get a cheapy?

      Your comment says way much more about yourself as a person than the 66,882,230 Americans who voted for Obama FOR THESE REASONS!

      If you’re the party of “personal responsibility”, I think it’s time to take ownership of the flaws in your own party and face the reality of why the Dems won in both 2006 AND 2008. There’s a reason!

    • Stop The ACLU

      (Video) Wal-Mart Worker Trampled to Death…

      We were out shopping today and my father called my cell phone to tell me about this news. This is insane! Prayers for this worker’s family. So sad.

      Here’s video of it happening. I gotta warn you…its graphic.

      New York Daily News:…

    • E D

      WOw, I just finished up 8 years in the United States Air Force and I made tremendous sacrafices for my country. ANd to see what we are protecting realy does sicken me. I have spent a good portion of my life living overseas and sadly everytime I return to the US I have culture shock in my own country but not in a good way. Sadly I see my fellow citizens getting more and more spoiled and materialistic, and then wonder why other countries are looking down on us.
      WAKE UP AMERICA!!! OUR Materialism is killing us and our communities. Instead of trampling innocent people, do some volunteer work during the holidays to help your community and those who are suffering around you.
      You will feel better about yourself! Help a fellow American and make your world a better place…..a plasma TV will never do that.

    • jon

      Its all about greed and selfishness. I hope those people who did this insane deed get caught and rot in hell.And I thought the fools out west were strange.

    • jon

      It really makes you wonder how many cowardly selfish bastards this coutry has produced.

    • jon

      Can you believe the posting that TIX bimbo put out there? Why not blame the Republicans? Why not just blame George Bush? What a bumbling idiot some parent created.You sound like a typical liberal democrat. Its all about you.Please ,Please. dont breed.

    • trampledunderfoot

      Just take a look at the crowd and it will explain why this person was trampled. It just goes to prove that these people are just a bunch of animals.

    • K

      I think that its really unfair to be blaming walmart. I have worked for the company for several years and although not in a large state as NY, but, the population in my town isnt small either. What happened is horrible, and makes me sick to my stomach. But the store, and the managers were NOT to blame. Who could fathom this happening and causing a death? Lets place the blame on the guilty people… this morning I stepped ina pile of cat poop one of my three cats decided to leave in my darkened hallway. I had shoes on.. and I knew instantly I wasnt stepping on solid ground. HOW IN GODS NAME DID 200 PEOPLE STEP ON A PERSON AND NOT NOTICE IT OR CARE?

      The blame NEEDS to be placed in the correct area people or this WILL happen again. You wanna talk about taking personal responsibility? All those people staring into their 19, 32 and 42″ plasma/lcd tv’s need to do JUST that. Stand up and say, “i was there.. but…” and somehow give America a reason to justify walking ontop of a man till he dies.. somehow give us an explanation how you personally DIDNT KNOW!

      obama.. clinton.. bush.. bush 2, … who gives a crap! Neither republicans nor democrats had ANYTHING to do with this.. STOP DIVIDING THE COUNTRY WE ARE SUPPOSE TO LOVE!..

    • T.D.

      I can’t believe some of you are making this political.

      Clearly, this is more an issue of morals and self-centeredness than anything else.

      Not only were a good deal of these people (can’t say everyone ’cause I wasn’t there) too greedy to file in calmly, but then they were too selfish to just leave when the store tried to close due to the incident.

      There is no deal in Wal Mart that worth someone else’s life. In fact, you can find better deals shopping online.

      I also think too much is being read into the “temporary worker” thing. News reports ask about occupations. It’s not like they reported him scoffing when he said it.

    • trampledunderfoot

      Tix:
      Why are you trying to blame Republicans for the Walmart incident? Obviously by looking at the crowd at the Walmart , we can safely say that they are Obama voters and they didn’t exercise “personal responsibility”. I’m sure we will see more of the same for the next 4 years.

    • Steve

      K,

      You a dead-on with your post. This is not a political (left-right) issue. This is not an economic issue (Walmart, China, blah blah, blah). You can close every Walmart in America (Target, Costco, etc also for that matter) and this problem will not go away.

      This is clearly a SPIRITUAL issue. What is the condition of the hearts of these people who were clearly willing to knock down doors and trample people just to buy more stuff. Open your eyes everyone – I believe no policy or politician currently on this planet can fix this one.

      Steve

    • Tix!!

      Can you believe the posting that TIX bimbo put out there? Why not blame the Republicans? Why not just blame George Bush? What a bumbling idiot some parent created.You sound like a typical liberal democrat. Its all about you.Please ,Please. dont breed.

      Could you guys kindly look at the context I was replying to? Why is it OK for you guys if one blames the incident on Liberals, but it’s not okay to say, it was the Republicans?

      If you read my post about it in my own blog, you’ll see that I am basically agreeing with you all.

      Additionally, this incident has been going on for years. This year was the first year that someone has been killed.

      So, how is this the fault of Obmama voters if you’re trying to pretend to be so “partisan”?

      Remember, I am *not* the one who brought politics into this. IT was YOU.

      Thanks.

    • Wayne

      The people responsible for this were greedy,selfish,self centered and mean spirited a**holes with no morals,scruples,ethics or character. It isn’t political, it’s just the way of the majority of people’s mindset in these times. Sad but nonetheless true. And I doubt many of them lost any sleep over the incident either.

    • Tix!!

      I love how I am told not to breed, but wishing death on all Obama voters is OK. Free pass for YOUR side to be partisan and everything little thing that happens in the US is always the Liberals fault. No. That doesn’t sound like taking “personal responsibility” to me.

      Wow.

    • Ariana

      First this needs to be said because I think it proves how ignorant SOME of the people even visiting this site are. Even as you point the fingr at others you are ugly in your own stupidity.

      Vegofish was the FIRST person to say most of the people who trampled that man probably voted for Obama. He was pointing to these people’s color and connecting it back to our only black to be president because it suited his own racist and stupid mind.

      Though I wonder where he was for the other hundred murders and acts of violent perpetuated by the president he voted for. My favorite recent one the two white individuals who planned to drive up to an Obama Rally in white suits and tophats and gun down everyone in their quest to kill him. Including children, including mothers, including elderly.

      The issue with trying to ascribe violence to any race is quite bluntly, white folks top all in this category and in far more creative and horrific ways.

      But this isn’t about race. This is about people too lazy or too stupid to scroll even a half inch higher and see who originally made the comment but instead choosing to bitch to TIX. Who was merely posting a rebutal to this idea that ‘they were black, ‘splains it all’ was a sufficient way of looking at it.

      Such people are: JON and TRAMPLEDUNDERFOOT.

      You both took an innocent statement and tried to twist it to sate your own political leanings all the while making yourselves look like idiots.

      Now especially for you TRAMPLEDUNDERFOOT, is your penchant towards racism. Which frankly fits with what I think you are : white, republican, ignorant and biased. Seperately some of these things are bad, together they’re a tragedy.

      Tell me once again, were you the one going ‘those white people’ when several different crimes were occuring throughout this year. From babies being killed, to women raped. Crimes that were committed by all races but more specifically by WHITE people.

      If the color of these people says anything about the situation it is their economic situation. While you are doing reasonably well for yourself (I imagine) these people have been lining up since Thursday morning to buy from WALMART.

      They are truly suffering and probably the first ones to feel the pain of the upcoming recession.

      But hey when all else fails blame the black man, really…grow up.

    • The Dude

      This incident did not happen anywhere else. This to me speaks to the status of the sect of black America that prizes things over people. This has been happening a long time. We are shocked when it is a Wal-mart where you and I shop but not when it is their own streets over sneakers or some other foolishness. In the political correct climate we can always talk of issues in white America, we can point fingers and somehow blame “evil whites” for this. However, this will not change what is ailing much of black Americans today. constantly not having the courage to talk about these issues and blaming them on someone else will not fix them. The Black American family unit is broken and the lack of married families and high prison rates show it. This incident is a symptom of a mauch larger issue within the black communitty and I hope that it begins to correct itself.

    • The GTL™

      Without the personal attacks, this would be a great discussion…

      Please — attack the message, not the messenger, y’all :-)

    • Taylor Siluwé

      DUDE …

      I don’t think this is an issue about race. WTF!

      First off, THANX ARIANA for a breath of clarity and smarts. My head was spinning as I read those comments, I’m glad you beat me to the punch.

      Back to DUDE …

      this is certainly an issue fueled by this horrid economy (which, understandably, some will politicize), but to throw black families and high prison rates yada yada yada into the discussion is pretty silly. Yes, these are legitimate issues, but ones that have nothing to do with why a crowd surges.

      That’s the point. A huge crowd of people.

      I hate crowds. I have since I was in NYC during a particulary wild GAY PRIDE event where the crowd was so tight, I had no choice but to go with it or be run off. The crowd surges forward, you better surge with it or else. To this day I avoid “crowd” situations. They’re inherently dangerous because when shit goes down, people stampede.

      In this case, its crowd dynamics tragically at play — add to that the innate greed of people (all colors), the desperation of those who need a bargain for their families this coming holiday (all colors), and finally the “I’ve been here longer than you and you’re cutting in front of me over my dead body!” syndrome (yeah, I made that up but it works).

      All these things led to a mans death. A broken black family structure had about as much to do with it as Osama Bin Ladin.

    • jimbo

      Its the Reason for the Season.

    • On and On

      Why don’t you all shut up and go buy something? Only 21 more shopping days till Christmas!

    • TXTOAD

      What lacks here is one word “CIVILITY” it is what we all have lost in this day and age.I only hope and pray that those who have no responsibility for their actions. I have never been to long island nor do i want to go there if these are the kind of folks that reside there. God have no mercy on those who did this heinous action on another human being.. God please belss the family of this man who lost his life .. Respectfuly TXTOAD

    • JerrySpringerLivesinGOP

      lol…RACE finally comes out of the underbelly and applied to the elections…Hilarious.

      GTL, is there a way to save this article on my laptop?

    • vegofish

      statistically seaking tix odds are the majority voted for Obama.

    • vegofish

      speaking

    • vegofish

      well jon, by tix numbers the country has produced approx’ 66,882,230 of them

    • JerrySpringerLivesinGOP

      ah never mind I got it GTL…keep it goin bro and lookin forward to seeing how my pick$ turnout tomorrow…later man!

    • vegofish

      I’m not sure where I brought race or wished death on all obama voters anywhere in this discussion, my point is when i see this kind of thing occuring it makes me question if The sacrifices ED has made and all of the others is truly worth it. these people ARE indeed apathetic sheep who care only for their own materialistic well being, totally self centered in their own ME ME ME world. I’m sure that most of them felt that pushing and shoving to get in the door first
      was their “right”. My personal opinion is no, they are probably not worth defending against the evil in the world, lucky for them they live in a country that
      will defend their pathetic asses anyway. when the liberals are wrong, which is often, they inevitably bring racism into the discussion, which i find to be about as disgusting as the wind that blows off the garbage dump. It is what I call selctive perception syndrome.Ignore what is said or written and interperet it to suit your own skewed views of society. Ridiculous.
      As far as the votes for obama comments lets break it down so its simple and you can understand.

      america-majority voted for obama
      new york- democratic state, most voted for obama
      low income- most voted for obama

      I would say my analyses on that point is dead on correct.
      I would further state that they actually represented a larger percentage of obama voters than the national average.
      As far as wishing death on all obama voters? could you be any more absurd? your parties own logic flies directly in the face of that statement, if if I had made it, which I obviously didnt. But you advocate leaving those extremists on the loose with your adamant calls for immediate withdrawl of our troops in the middle east, essentially doing exactly what I stated, your contention is that the world would be a better place if we did that, but now your contention is that it would mean death to all democrats, which is it?

    • vegofish

      and of course Jerry, you feel inclined to chime right in on the race issue, I thought we had this issue worked out, or are you letting bigotry back into your posts?

    • vegofish

      and i guess the the most obvious thing that would make me better than those losers is I have never stomped anyone to death trying to get into a store, I have held the door open for others plenty of times, but never felt the need to physically shove someone to get into a store ahead of them.

      of course I would sooner suffer frost bite than go to walmart most any day, but particularly black friday.

    • JerrySpringerLivesinGOP

      Whatever. Start your irrational arguments with someone else who gives a shit about what you say. I didn’t mention your name once and I’m tired of your bullshit trying to start arguments but that is what you do. So just know from here on out I’ll just not even read your posts so you don’t have to worry about asking me stupid ass questions like you just did. Fair Enough.

    • vegofish

      I understand that the truth is hard for people like you to accept Jerry, considering your penchent for exxageration. I thought that is what we came here to do, discuss different view points? Like bigots everywhere you are concerned with only yours. If it is a view you do not agree with then it is irrational, stupid and most likely racist.

      Grow up little boy

    • Taylor Siluwé

      You seem to think “these people” purposely stomped the life out of this man because he had the audacity to be between them and a free toaster.

      You seem to think that its also worth mentioning that it took place in a BLUE state.

      Interesting.

    • vegofish

      Nothing about this issue is about race, its about selfishness, ignorance and an example of the complete deterioration of morality in some areas of the country.

    • JerrySpringerLivesinGOP

      Debating and finger pointing or 2 different things.

      Your the little boy that needs to grow up.

    • JerrySpringerLivesinGOP

      Hey GTL, my posts are not showing up when I try to post to your NFL blog:
      the point spread is about to change on the Giants game:
      http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txgiantsburress&prov=st&type=lgns

    • JerrySpringerLivesinGOP

      “are”

    • vegofish

      they purposefully used whatever physical means they had available to them to make sure they were the first ones in the store. just so your not confused i dont want you to think I “seem” to feel that way. I absolutely do feel
      that those people “purposely”, physically pushed shoved and stomped their way into that store resulting in that mans death. His only crime was exactly as you said it, he was in between them and their stupid pills so get outa the way or be stomped.

      my reference to new york and its blue state status was to back up my contention of the statistical probabilty that these people voted for obama, though i didnt need to because these people were obviously stupid, and we all know that obama picked up 100 percent of the stupid vote.

    • Tix!!

      I’m not sure where I brought race or wished death on all obama voters anywhere in this discussion, my point is when i see this kind of thing occuring it makes me question if The sacrifices ED has made and all of the others is truly worth it. these people ARE indeed apathetic sheep who care only for their own materialistic well being, totally self centered in their own ME ME ME world.

      The me me me mentality is a non-partisan issue. Can you please back up your claims that all of those involved in the stampede were Liberals? I’ll be waiting on that. I have all the patience in the world.

      I bet you think that all liberals have no jobs and are looking for welfare handouts. Am I correct? If that is what you think , you are sorely mistaken.

      You had suggested that the terrorists be released on to Obama supporters. You know very well what you meant by that. You wish us all dead. And all I was asking you is how you propose to be better than those people involved in the stampede? How are YOU not of the me me me mentality when you think all Obama supporters should be attacked by Muslim terrorists? If you weren’t all about “entitlement” that you accuse liberals of, then you would respect that others have different political preferences and be a man about it like these people are.

      lucky for them they live in a country that
      will defend their pathetic asses anyway.

      Do you not realize that some of us who voted for Obama have been to Iraq – saving YOUR pathetic ass? Have you served our country? Or do you just leave the dirty work for other people?

      I hate to tell you, but I used my first amendment right to vote for Obama. I refuse to apologize for that. And I refuse to silence myself either. That is part of being an American. Voting is part of being a patriot. So, my having voted for Obama is showing disrespect for our military? How is that? Please pray tell? And please do share with us on how wishing death (releasing Muslim terrorists) upon Obama voters is a patriotic and/or Pro-American comment? I am just curious.

      My fellow compatriots fought for my right to vote and freedom to voice my opinions. If I don’t use that freedom that they have sacrificed their lives for, then they fought for NOTHING. Why is it that is only okay for Republicans to be angry and whiny when things don’t go their way, but dissent must only be silenced by liberals and moderates?

      america-majority voted for obama
      new york- democratic state, most voted for obama
      low income- most voted for obama

      Link please?

      As far as wishing death on all obama voters? could you be any more absurd? your parties own logic flies directly in the face of that statement, if if I had made it, which I obviously didnt.

      Um. Yes you did. To quote you:

      You said the following:

      domestic terrorism?, more like domestic stupidisism.
      when i see pathetic crap like this it makes me think maybe we should just turn the muslim crazies loose on this dispicable trash. are people like this worth fighting for? do they deserve the freedoms they have?
      No, they are apathetic sheep, and i’m sure Obama got most of their votes.

      Lovely huh?

      But you advocate leaving those extremists on the loose with your adamant calls for immediate withdrawl of our troops in the middle east, essentially doing exactly what I stated, your contention is that the world would be a better place if we did that, but now your contention is that it would mean death to all democrats, which is it?

      Please, once again, pray tell how you get that others on this site (including myself) are advocating the above?

      Are assumptions, hyper-partisanship, and insults all you are capable of? And you call yourself an American who is all about peace, tolerance, and righteousness, right?

    • vegofish

      wow, your kinda psycho, huh? thats cool. thank you for for re posting my comments. I did not not make any claim as to the disposition, political or otherwise, of ALL of the people at that store at any point in time.
      MY comments were directed solely at the people involved in the stampede that killed the employee. I would stand behind any comment I made about those particular people, including their political disposition, their lack of intelligence and their lack of morality. You are correct that their political disposition probably has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they trampled that man, but this is a political based web site, and the facts are I’m most likely correct in my
      assesment of their political disposition. The majority of them probably did vote for obama, which again probably had little to do with them trampling the employee, but does open the question as to how represenetive that group would be to obama voters over all. probably not very, but again, this is a political web site, and a liberal one, and this is the type of topic is one would expect here I would think. do I think ALL liberals fit into a single category?, of course not and it is silly for you to assert that i would. do most liberals today support an immediate withdrawl of our troops from the middleeast. I think so. I am not sure what type of discussion you expect here.

    • Tix!!

      but this is a political based web site

      I realize that. I’ve been commenting/reading here on and off since 2005.

      I think so. I am not sure what type of discussion you expect here.

      Most of us commenting here have our own political blogs. It’s just your resorting to having made sweeping generalizations about liberals (same people who voted for Obama), I found insulting and unnecessary especially where I had quoted you before. For example,

      well jon, by tix numbers the country has produced approx’ 66,882,230 of them

      “Them” was in reply to Jon who suggested that I was “a bimbo” and “shouldn’t reproduce”. I happen to take it a little personally when someone wished that I were dead and assuming things about me that couldn’t be farther from the truth. I’ve seen you become equally defensive on this site whenever you feel attacked.

      THIS is what I was talking about. THIS is also where you derailed off the topic of politics and decided with John to label Obama supporters (aka liberals, moderates etc)

      And I can’t be psycho as I’m not the only one who noticed this. I’ve seen you on other threads as well where you resorted to name-calling and unnecessary aggression.

      Also there are liberals and there exists the far Left. A mistake I see happening often is where the Left is confusing all conservatives with their fringe elements and visa versa. I just happen to find that unfair is all.

    • vegofish

      come on tix, lighten up, I didnt call you any of those things, I only called you “a little psycho” and I know that had to make you smile for at least a moment. of course I am generalizing about liberals, just as all of you categorize my comments in generalizations of conservative opinion, actually my reference to THEM was concerning cowardly, selfish, bastards. and had nothing at all to do with jons next comments which were of personal nature and which I DONT agree. was every single voter who voted for obama cowardly and selfish? probably not, but in my opinion many, in some ways, were. I think you should just go right ahead and breed as often as you like tix, I am a big fan of breeding myself. further I have never stated and never would state that I would like to see any poster at this site or any other site “dead” for any reason. I mean please.
      that is ridiculous. My attitudes towards all this political crap are far more lighthearted than that, when I said “Turn the muslim crazies loose on them” I did not mean that I have a band of muslim crazies in my basement that I was going turn loose on specific persons for the purpose of hurting or killing them.
      COME ON. I only meant it in terms of whether those specific folks, the tramplers, deserved to be protected, and if these folks were at all represenative of the citizenry, (which I’m truly sorry to say that I think in some ways they are represenative of many in our country today)then is it worth our good peoples lives to protect their way of life against radical muslim extremism. that was the question. you are correct when you say that too often both sides point the finger of extremism at each other. I know that I do, mostly just to spur discussion though, and frankly tix you haven’t sounded like much of a centrist in these postings. I rarely take offense personally at anything someone here says about me, if I worried much about that then I would post at Michelle Malkin. I prefer to heat things up so to speak, the single claim that does irritate me is when someone jumps on the racism BS because hardly anything could be further from the truth. other than that bang away. but dont get angry.

    • Tix!!

      just as all of you categorize my comments in generalizations of conservative opinion,

      In my blog, I rail against ALL types of extremism: the far Right and the far Left. I also make the distinction very clear.

      and frankly tix you haven’t sounded like much of a centrist in these postings

      I don’t label myself a centrist. I don’t know where you got that from? You’ll have to talk to GTL, the author of this blog, about that. He gave me that label based on my political profile and a silly political compass test that I took.

      Depending on the person, I am labeled politically something different all the time. For example, the foreign far Left call me a “right-wingnut-jesus-freak” based on some of my beliefs and my aggressive defence against Americanophobia. I’ve been lumped into the far Left, far Right, center, liberal, moderate liberals, and I could go on.

      As for ME, I call myself a Liberal because I lean in that direction. So, yes, being a liberal, surely enough, I will sound like one, right? ;-) No surprise there. However, if it makes me liberal because I defend against insults and accusations I haven’t committed, then I guess we’re all liberal!

      Anyway, thank you for clarifying your views.

    • JerrySpringerLivesinGOP

      wow…nice thread!

      Tix, I really enjoy reading your comments. I remember you mentioning your blog before…What is your personal blog site/url again?

    • Tix!!

      Just click on my name “Tix!!” up at the top.

      Thanks for the compliment. :)

    • JerrySpringerLivesinGOP

      Your Welcome. I thought that was your personal blog but wasn’t sure…all good ;)

    • vegofish

      well tix I’m not sure how well that clarifies my views, as like all of us here are a little more complicated than any liberal or conservative label would represent,
      But I hope it clarifies that I post here because I would tend more towards the satyrical than the angry,
      and also that i meant no ill will towards you personally, or towards any poster here. some others here could stand to lighten up a little as well in my opinion, maybe you think Jerry?

    • vegofish

      i read your blogs, tix, maybe not frequently, but at times, and it may surprise that we are closer in opinons that you may think.

    • vegofish

      Ive taken the political compass test 4 times now LOL
      and according to it I’m so middle of the road I may be comatose, you could cover my scores with a quarter just slightly high and to the right but still in the black.

    • Tix!!

      Vegofish, a pretty good fraction of my blog is satire. Sometimes I am serious. Sometimes I’m full of poop. And sometimes, I am full of worse. At the risk of being misunderstood or flamed, I never tell my readers that what they’re reading is pure hyperbole or satire because then it would lose its purpose. So, I am right there with you on satire and trying to get a rise out of people.

      I guess we all do satire in our own unique ways, and its a matter of getting used to and letting them eventually in on the fact that you’re just pullin’ legs. Now that I know that I have misunderstood you, I am relieved.

      Putting all-things-controversial aside, I am a fun person! :D

    • Fandb

      Wow, I missed a lot. This event was a tragedy, but it was not a race issue. I think it may have more to do with socio-economic status, which is often confused with race. This confusion is related to the observation that people of similar race and socio-economic status often live in similar areas. This tragedy could have occurred in any area and by any race that reflect lower income and lower education level.

      But we don’t have to worry about these things anymore because we have Obama now. Obama is gonna take care of us. (satire. or is it sarcasm?)

      Dude: Some minorities have used excuses for years that the high crime rates, low employment and income numbers, etc. are not their fault. They have typically blamed the white races for their problems because the whites were seen as being in control. They can’t do that anymore. Obama will be President soon and that excuse is removed from the table.

      We need to improve the Education of all Americans, and insist/demand Personal Responsibility and hold people Accountable for their own decisions and actions.

      Political compass: about 2.5 ticks right and about 3.5 ticks down.

    • vegofish

      yes fandb, without your calming intillect soothing the savage liberal beasty they wasted precious little time in pouncing upon me and using their unmatched superpowers of selective perception to shred me for all the wrong reasons.

    • Tix!!

      Oh VF, selective perception or misunderstanding satire with the purpose to get a rise? Naw. You just looked like a perfect victim to prey on. :D

      And I am here to make your life even more miserable. :P

    • The GTL™

      I… think… I… just… popped… a stiffy?! ;-)

    • vegofish

      actually, shortly after I invented the internet, I coined the phrase “selective perception syndrome” Its decimating the liberal cause, but it is treatable once you admit to it, dont worry I will try to help you. I have to be off the grid for a few days, you guys try to hold things together until I return.

      BIG SMILEY HERE IF I HAD THE COMPUTER SAVVY TO HAVE ONE

      over and out

    • Fandb

      Vegofish – just type a colon,dash,right-parenthese and GTL’s magical web site converts it into a smiley.

      The problem (one of the problems anyway) with liberals is that they:
      (1) ALWAYS make mistakes
      (2) Can’t ever admit their mistakes
      (3) Vote for people who talk the talk but can’t walk the walk

      …as this LINK demonstrates clearly.

    • Tix!!

      Fandb, on that note, we have more in common than you think because that’s exactly how liberals perceive the far-right as demonstrated here and here.

      But I wouldn’t say that any human being “always” makes mistakes as that would be preposterous and something that cannot possibly be proven. I’d like to think that one’s ability to admit that they are wrong has absolutely nothing to do with politics.

      (3) Vote for people who talk the talk but can’t walk the walk

      That is entirely subjective.

      At some point in time, you all are going to have to accept that Barack Obama is going to become our new president come January 20th. I am sorry for your loss, but as with any loss, we at some point in time have to carry on with our lives and move on. We can’t always get what we want. During the Bush administration, you heard liberals whine incessantly, right?

      You don’t wanna sound like a Liberal, do you?

    • Fandb

      Tix: “You don’t wanna sound like a Liberal, do you?” – Now I’m not going to stoop so low as to accuse you of being a liberal. (My “antichrist Obama” gravatar may have horns but I’m not that mean.) Liberals never accepted President Bush. Even to this day they WHINE that President Bush “stole” the election in 2000 and again in 2004. After putting up with that incessant whining for 8 years, I plan on bashing the next President (Probably President Biden if the Supreme Court has the cajones to enforce the Constitution and remove the Indonesian citizen Obama from consideration by the electoral college) just about as much as the liberals bashed President Bush.

      So far, Obama looks eerily like a deer in the headlights. We’ll see how much “change” his staff of Washington insiders and good ol’ boys (and girls) is able to accomplish. Until then, the current (and temporary) President-Elect seems to be quite easily manipulated by his seasoned staff of political veterans.

    • Tix!!

      In election 2000, Al Gore had won the popular vote. In that respect, it was stolen. The purpose of the EV is to mirror the majority in each state – which they didn’t. And that’s the fourth time that happened in the US.

      In any event, are you just complaining about Obama just to get revenge at the Liberals?

      It’s all silly, really. If Obama makes no changes, that’s really a GOOD thing for the Right. Right?

      The “change” that Obama speaks of (that everyone’s been twisting around to death) is change regarding the Bush admin. IF you go back and listen to his speech at the DNC – he made it crystal clear. That’s also where his “eight is enough” slogan came from. Change = the modification or the removal of Bush polices.

      So, you’re the last person that should be complaining because Obama’s “presidency” (how long has he been prez?) being “more of the same” as in a continuation Bush’s policies. You should be happy, so it’s easy to assume you are trying to find anything to call Obama out on to piss liberals off in revenge. I may be wrong, though.

      P.S. Don’t confuse us Libs with the far Left. They are the ones who never see anything that Bush did right and also feel that he stole the 2004 election.

      I am fighting off the far left with my sass a few times a week in my blog. They just hit me with a new one yesterday in a “hate mail”. According the this extremist couple, I am a blind nationalist uncouth boor and wild savage who thinks that anyone who disagrees with America is “Anti-American”. LOL

      Fun times.

      Seriously though. Lumping liberals into the far Left is equivalent to saying that ALL conservatives are inbred, insular, nationalistic, inherently violent, unfashionable, paranoid, arrogant, unsophisticated, fat, lazy, vulgar, greedy, racist, spoiled-rich, ignorant, stupid, humorless, loud, obnoxious, gum-chewing, carbon-emitting, baby-killing, gun-toting, bible-thumping, flag-waving, and self-centered, globalizing, uncouth, swearmouthed and boorish Neanderthal American obsessed with sex and McDonalds.

      Yes, that is what the foreign far Left go by to describe Americans. :)

    • Tix!!

      For the record, over the last few years, I’ve defended Bush on my blog where I felt that he was unnecessarily criticized.

      Also, I don’t think it is possible for a president to be all wrong or all right. Only the extremist groups are guilty of such.

      But I’ll be on the watch. And I will be very surprised if one conservative ever gives Obama credit for ANYTHING.

      Meanwhile, I am not going to speak until I see the finished product.

    • Fandb

      Tix: “In any event, are you just complaining about Obama just to get revenge at the Liberals?” – Exactly! You are wise beyond your years.

      “P.S. Don’t confuse us Libs with the far Left.” – OK. Good point. I’ll try. But sometimes I will be unable to do so and will yield to temptation.

      “inbred, … McDonalds.” – Yup, but that goes for liberals as well. After all, we’re all Americans aren’t we?

      Except for Obama!

      :-)

    • Tix!!

      Actually I voted for Obama JUST BECAUSE he was born in Kenya just to “get you”. :twisted:

    • Fandb

      LOL Tix. That’s why I voted for Bush! ;-)

    • Tix!!

      Bush was born in Kenya too?!?! 8O

    • Fandb

      No, silly girl, just to get all the liberals :twisted:

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