WorldNet Daily Reports: Constitutional Crisis Feared Over McCain’s ‘Qualifications’…”
Señor Juan Sidney McCain of Arizona the great nation of Panama’s Citizenship eligibility is in question again; this time by an unlikely source — The WorldNet Daily:
“The U.S. Supreme Court is being asked to help the nation avoid a constitutional crisis by halting Tuesday’s election until Republican presidential nominee Juan Sidney McCain documents his eligibility to run for the top office in the nation.
Democratic attorney Philip Berg had filed a lawsuit alleging McCain is ineligible to be president because of birth in Panama…
OOPS — Hold UP. It must be this damned Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) “thing” interfering with my ability to read and interpret again. It turns out I’m quite mistaken; it is Barry “Steve” Obama our fun and always-friendly buds and buddettes at the WND are challenging on the legitimacy of his U.S. Citizenship, NOT Señor McCain as I had previously, mistakenly reported.
We cannot let the facts get in the way (Source: FactCheck.Org) of a McCain-Palin presidency. While Panama Juan has proven to be Bin Ladin’s numero uno choice paŕa Èl Presidenté, fellow “maverick” and running mate, Sarah “Barracuda” Palin, has alerted us to the fact that Barry “Steve” O ALSO shares the same ties Panama Juan does with the likes of ACORN, Bill Ayers, and other shameless and unapologetic, unamerican folks. Let’s all hope and pray this request is honored by SCOTUS Justice David Souter will heed the wishes of Citizen Phillip J. Berg and allow President “Surge” W. Bush to declare martial law until such time we can figure out if FactCheck.Org is in the “tank” for “Steve” or not.
Meanwhile, in other news, it turns out Juan Sidney’s boss, Sarah Barracuda, is hollerin’ out to the Mainstream Media that just because she says something “negative”, it doesn’t mean she is runnin’ that “negative campaign” the MSM has been accusing her and her sidekick from Panama have been runnin’ lately. AMEN, Sarah. I’m PROUD to have been one of your fellow Wasilla classmates — I agree — let’s DO regulate the First Amendment so NOBODY with pen-in-hand can label “negativity” as being “negativity” (Source: The Politico) as long as the country doesn’t go a-fallin’ into the hands of somebody who goes “pallin’ around with terr’ists“. I agree, Sarah — be scared — be VERY scared.
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12:01 pm on November 1st, 2008 1
While it is clear that “Barack (Barry) Hussein Obama Soetoro” is technically a U.S. citizen by virtue of his birth to an American mother in Hawaii, it is not clear whether he ever renounced his Indonesian citizenship which he acquired by by virtue of his ADOPTION by his mother’s second husband.
It is clear that when his adoptive Indonesian father enrolled him in school in Indonesia, his application listed his citizenship as Indonesian and his religion as Islam.
It is also clear that at the age of 20, Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Obama) traveled to Pakistan under an Indonesian passport, which also listed his citizenship as Indonesian. (At the time it was illegal for U.S. citizens to travel to Pakistan.) So his Indonesian citizenship was not something forced upon him, but something he willingly claimed, at least when it was convenient for him to do so.
So the real question becomes, did Obama-Soetoro ever renounce his Indonesian citizenship and/or swear an oath of allegiance to the United States of America? If not, is it legal for someone with a dual citizenship to become President of the United States? Actually, it is not. The POTUS has to have clear loyalty to the U.S. This is not possible with a dual citizenship.
Will the “real” Barack (Barry) Hussein Obama Soetoro please stand up.
I would be surprised that the dem’s have not addressed this issue since it is clearly a foundation for impeachment proceedings which should begin on or about Nov. 5th. The only reason I’m not surprised is because I realize that all that wacky tabacky has damaged their neurons and they can’t pay attention long enough to understand the implications.
Wow man. Far out! A stoned electorate is an Obama electorate.
2:14 pm on November 1st, 2008 2
Someone reads too much WND. Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen. End of story. It’s been proven by so many different outlets that it’s borderline ridiculous. Correction. It’s past the point of ridiculous (and desperation, for that matter) to question it at this point. Really, there are more legitimate questions as to the qualifications of John McCain then there are of Obama.
For example, is a “naturalized” citizen qualified to be president as opposed to a “natural born” citizen? Are the two any different. John McCain has been declared “naturalized” but there is still some argument out on the “natural born” definition.
2:54 pm on November 1st, 2008 3
“No person, except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of the President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States” U.S. Const. Art. II, Sec. 1, Cl. 4.
Senator Obama is a United States citizen. There has been no documentation produced indicating otherwise. This claim was dismissed due to lack of standing; it was initially filed in an attempt to throw doubt on the eligibility of a candidate for the Democratic nomination from a Clinton supporter.
In a nutshell, in order for Senator Obama to have lost his United States citizenship, he would have had to have renounced his citizenship, which he did not do.
That this is still getting attention screams of the desperation of individuals who just don’t want to see their “side” lose, regardless of how schizophrenically poor a campaign it ran.
7:53 pm on November 1st, 2008 4
It should be mentioned as well that the State of Hawaii officially stated today that Barack Obama’s birth certificate documents are filed with the State Health Department. There should be NO QUESTION from here on out that Barack Obama is a NATURAL BORN U.S. CITIZEN.
7:54 pm on November 1st, 2008 5
Sorry. I forgot to provide links to today’s news:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081101/NEWS05/811010345/1001/localnewsfront
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00
8:35 pm on November 1st, 2008 6
It is clear that he was born in Hawaii, as I mentioned above. It is not clear whether he ever renounced his Indonesian citizenship. The President of the United States should not be subject to such a potential conflict of interest.
11:40 am on November 2nd, 2008 7
FandB, I think you missed the point of Steve’s post above. He posted the Constitutional qualifications of being president. Duel citizenship is a non-issue, if it ever was one in the first place.
5:45 pm on November 2nd, 2008 8
It is clear that all the Obama-bots are willing to forgive any problem related to their god-king Obama, and will find any way possible to rationalize their choice. Regardless of Steve’s argument, The President of the United Sates should not be entangled in such an extreme potential conflict of interest as dual citizenship.
With which country would his preference lie if the United States were to develop a serious conflict with his “other” country, Indonesia?
Steve may argue that it is not a legal issue, But I would maintain that it is potentially an issue of loyalty.
7:27 pm on November 2nd, 2008 9
I think it’s far-reaching at best to say that it’s a potential conflict of interest. For all we know, he may no longer have duel citizenship. I see no evidence of such.
His time in Indonesia was brief– a few years, if that. He has lived the majority of his life in the United States and has served within his country in various ways for several years now.
I honestly think you have a need to fear this man, and if not him, then something. But in all honesty, do you REALLY think that he’d betray this country in such a way?
10:41 am on November 3rd, 2008 10
Yes, especially with a democrat controlled House and Senate. Obama lived in Indonesia for 4 years until he was about 10 years old, and spent 2 years in a Muslim school. While living in Hawaii he sought advice from a known/admitted member of the communist party. While attending various schools, he routinely sought friendship and counsel with socialist thinkers and groups. While living in Chicago he routinely sought friendship and counsel with known terrorists, racists, and socialists – even to the point of joining a socialist political party. His comments regarding “redistribution of wealth” are straight from the Manifesto of the Communist Party by Marx. He preaches Marxist forms of taxation.
Have the people in this country actually reached the point where they would sell their souls to socialism? Too many people are voting for Obama because he represents/promises a handout. An equitable tax cut would be fine, but when one group/class is targeted as the payer and another group/class is targeted as the payee – that is socialism.
Many people in Obama’s targeted Payer group already pay up to 70% (or more) of their income in the form of various taxes, and Obama wants to take even more??? I work hard, long hours, over twenty years on the job, and I already pay over 50% of what I earn to the government – I don’t want to pay any more than that. Obama calls me selfish. Well, I think he, and anyone else who thinks they deserve a free slice of my hard-earned money, is Selfish.
Maybe I’ll just quit my job and go on welfare or Obama-fare – it seems like that will be more profitable than working for a living.
If you really don’t fear what Obama the Socialist can do to all the Joe the Plumbers out there over the next four years, I’m afraid you will be in for a rude awakening – but by then it will be too late.
11:02 am on November 3rd, 2008 11
Wow! I feel very sorry for you, then. To live with that kind of fear, and an irrational one at that, has to be exhausting at the very least. And no, I’m not being sarcastic. I really do feel for you on this one.
11:35 am on November 3rd, 2008 12
So Obama’s history of promoting socialist ideologies doesn’t concern you A/M? Or, is it that you’d rather just try to be condescending than deal with that issue?
What is irrational about my desire to not pay any more taxes than the 50+% I already pay?
Do you disagree that Obama’s plan to “redistribute wealth” is socialism?
1:45 am on November 4th, 2008 13
F&B-He didn’t go to Muslim school, that’s just more GOP propaganda. So he listened to a communist, big deal. You bring up socialism like it’s a dirty word. I like my socialized fire department. After the catastrophic failure of unbridled capitalism once again that word doesn’t scare anyone but those who haven’t been paying attention. He served on a charitable board with a bunch of Repuglicans and a former political activist. His reverend is rightfully pissed off that the government of his country is still failing miserably to treat his people right. For that I say “God D4mn America!” For this bulls4it corrupt war in Iraq I say “God D4mn America!” For the right wing control of the media that brainwashes a large portion of the populace into low information voting I say “God D4mn America!” His level of redistribution of wealth is the same as Bush’s but in the opposite direction. Anyone who is unfamiliar with the Communist Manifesto is unfit to discuss economics and probably thinks there has already been communism somewhere. The authoritarian regimes America has battled, rightfully to a great extent, were not communism. Communism is not a scary word except to brainwashed old fogies who were stupid enough to support the war in Vietnam. You can’t sell your soul to an economic philosophy that enjoys varying degrees of success around the world. Obama promises a hand up not a hand out. Waiting for the magical hand of the free market to trickle economic benefits down from the huge tax breaks given to the increasingly ultra-wealthy failed us oh-so-miserably. It’s time for change. Big change. Massive, new “New Deal” type change. When we have ReThuglicans in office I get to keep a token bit more of my dwindling earnings while my energy costs sky-rocket. When Democrats are in office my income leaps and the net loss to the government goes down. I’d rather get more overall because the system is moving in a fundamentally sound direction. I don’t think more than half your money should go to taxes though. That’s why the ultra-wealthy should start paying more again, like it always was when America was kicking ass. I suspect that you, like damn near every other American, has a sense of pride and a strong work ethic, and yor threat to slack off and try to live on a tiny percentage of what you are accustomed to is just so much hot air. Joe D. Plummer’s name is really Sam, he’s not a plumber, he isn’t trying to buy his company, he’s behind on his taxes and that’s about as honest as McShame’s miserable joke of a campaign has been. If the righties weren’t so completely detached from reality, Obama could declare victory from just the people who voted early. That McBetterifhejustdied is still in this race at all is like a bloody cist on the b4tthole of America.
It’s always nice talking to you F&B, have a great day.
8:07 pm on November 4th, 2008 14
I think girardia summed it up quite nicely, and I agree with him with a few exceptions.
However, you must understand, I’m more anti-McCain than I am pro-Obama. Nevertheless, I would not say that any of Obama’s policies and/or beliefs are particularly concerning to me– much less “scary”.
10:57 pm on November 4th, 2008 15
Startin’ to look like a LANDSLIDE! I’m with you there, Alabama. For the most part I’m prObama but every single bit of me is anti-Rethuglican. These people have done more to fuc4 up America in the last generation than any five generations before them combined. If Americans have any clue that worthless party will disband and splinter int several seperate sub parties.
12:11 am on November 5th, 2008 16
A/M – I am surprised that you are unconcerned that Obama is in favor of partial-birth abortions. And that he voted in favor of charging individuals with a felony for rescuing babies that survive abortion and are born alive.
g – Obama actually did attend a Muslim school while he was living in Indonesia after being adopted by his mother’s second husband, Lolo Soetoro. Two years in a madrassa and two years in a catholic school. It is a matter of public record.
Yes, socialism is a dirty word.
Fire departments, police, etc. are not socialist – our constitution mandates that government should provide for the general welfare of the citizens.
Socialist countries have done nothing except enslave their citizens and eliminate the desire to excel. No socialist country has ever contributed anything to benefit humanity.
As far as I’m concerned, anyone who would say “God D4mn America” is treasonous.
I don’t know what business you are in, but the experience you describe is the opposite of what most Americsans experience (i.e., those who actually work for a living).
Attacking Joe the Plumber for asking Obama a tough question and revealing his true intentions is chicken-s4it. Joe the Plumber didn’t go looking for Obama. Obama came into his neighborhood.
Carter almost destroyed this country. Thank God Ronald Reagan was there to save it. Obama will be more of the same, only worse.
It is more likely that an Obama term will bring the republicans together tighter than ever. At least we’ll have 12-16 years of republicans after Obama gets done fuc4ing things up.
Enjoy the next four years, if we survive it.
3:29 am on November 5th, 2008 17
Bush already fu*ked it up. By the way, Bush might just be the WORST President Ever to date.
5:15 am on November 5th, 2008 18
Bush is clearly the worst president in history.
F&B-It’s so easy to knock down your delusional gibberish that I’m glad you’re still around. Most of the other righties that were in these dialogues a while back seemed to have disapeared. Apparently well reasoned theories backed up by real world examples kind of sqelches their yammering commononsense. By the way- LANDSLIDE!
Let’s address the ridiculous garbage you are spewing. Obama did not support the specific partial birth abortion legislation because everything it purported to support was already covered by existing statutes, but ill advised Rethuglican pork was attached to the bill. You know that so stop lying.
I still believe that Obama did not attend Muslim school, but even if he did, it’s the same as attending some dumb-ass bigoted bulls4it garbage christian nonsense fantasy school. If there ever was a Jesus, and there is good reason to believe there was not, he was a black liberal. Muslim/Christian-ignorant religious fundamentalist morons is the biggest problem our society faces-Taliban or LDS.
Over the course of the last decade, when asked if they would prefer their medical system or America’s, between 94% and 96% of Canadians would prefer the socialist system they have, despite it’s shortcomings. Although most European countries do not come up with numbers that high, they all prefer what they have to the catastrophic failure that capitalism has provided us. Please Obama, socialize my medicine. Make it like the fire department. Just like those horrible socialist Canadians! Terrible!
I say “God D4mn America” because there are so many Americans too stupid and uninformed or too shickenchit to say “God D4mn America” when our country is not performing up to the rather high ideals we have set for ourselves. WE SURE DID TONIGHT THOUGH!
Let’s see-what else? Oh yeah-you’ll get a kick out of this. My primary business is a tie-dye shop. I also throw giant parties as benefits for my community. My favorite part of that deal is my shots-for-tots booth.
I don’t know what you call working for a living, but here at the top of the Rockies, we’re used to working other guys under the table. I’ll work circles around you for 15 or 16 hours a day, at 10,000 feet altitude, then I’ll party for several hours after you drop, and after that I’ll chop my own firewood.
Nixon almost destroyed this country. Carter almost saved it. If we had just bit the bullet for a little longer we’d be in a hell of a lot better shape than we are now. Once again it’s time to face the music. It’s time for sacrifice, kind of like WW2, except the challenges they faced were like a game of tiddly-winks compared to what we’re dealing with now.
Ronald Reagan was a piece of s4it corporate schill that sold this country down the river.
America just experienced one of her greatest nights ever, greater than when we won WW2. We just took a sharp turn to the left that will take several generations to reverse (at which point will be a good idea).
9:52 am on November 5th, 2008 19
F&B, the “born alive” scandal that never was has been addressed by no fewer than six different fact checking organizations. He never voted in favor of charging individuals with a felony for rescuing babies. Rather, he voted AGAINST charging doctors and hospital staffs with felonies if they failed to save an infant who may have shown any sign of life– even if it was determined that the child would not survive. Existing laws on Illinois state books already stated that infants who were aborted after a fetal age of viability and determined to show survivability were to be saved.
As for support for or against partial birth abortion, I quit voting based on abortion stance long ago. Thus far, I’ve seen absolutely NO significant action taken by those claiming to be pro-life to remedy the issue. And so I have decided to place my vote based on other things. I’m a conservative. And I believe that the solution to abortion is prevention through better education and availability of contraceptives– not giving the government another excuse to stick its nose into the private business of citizens.
I also realize that anti-abortion legislation would be problematic to enforce. With most people still in support of abortion if the mother was victimized by rape or incest, it would lead to many false claims of rape and no real decrease in the number of abortions. And so, I’ve become more realistic in my own approach to abortion– if you can’t save the life of the baby, you can at least save the life of the mother by making sure she has proper care.
I also realize that there are some circumstances in which a parent might choose to have a partial birth abortion. I’m sure you’ve heard stories of parents being told that their child will not survive after being born and that the short time they have will be spent in agony. These parents may make the difficult decision to terminate the pregnancy because they believe that it will cause less suffering for their child. If D&X (dilation and extraction, or partial-birth) abortions can result in quick termination and offer grieving parents the opportunity to hold a fully intact baby that they may say goodbye to, then I have a hard time passing judgment on such a situation.
10:19 am on November 5th, 2008 20
Some folks like Fandb just wanna throw s*it against the wall and hope it sticks for debating. The fact is that we have our first African American president which is a total mindshift. Obama ran an unbelievable campaign, winning red states and turned the electoral map upside down. It took Bush to have an Obama, so in a way fu*ked up way, the scales are being balanced. Maybe we can get some of our privacy rights back that were stripped away by BUSH which would be a nice start!
so much for laughing at COMMUNITY ORGANIZING!
3:04 pm on November 5th, 2008 21
That’s OK girardia, etc, go ahead and get it out of your system. As soon as Obama starts fuc4ing up in Washington, just like he has been here in Illinois for the past 10 years, we’ll be all over him just like you all have been all over President Bush.
You haven’t seen criminal political behavior till you’ve seen the Chicago syndicate… errrr… political machine in action.
Tie Dye shop huh? That really fits, I love it
Jerry, if you think Obama is going to increase your “privacy rights” that you believe you lost during the Bush Administration, then you really don’t know who you all just elected. I’m sure you’ll figure it out eventually. Personal liberty is not part of Obama’s agenda.
4:11 pm on November 5th, 2008 22
I know what I didn’t elect that’s for sure and I don’t think Obama is that excited about invasion of Privacy like Bush did.
I’m sure it will not be honky dory but for a nation to have a first African American President speaks about how far we’ve come as a society and folks can continue to piss on it if they want.
I do think Obama is concerned about our privacy being invaded…unlike Bush…time will tell…
4:13 pm on November 5th, 2008 23
“I DO think Obama is concerned about the invasion of our privacy rights being invaded by Bush…time will tell” is what I meant to say.
4:18 pm on November 5th, 2008 24
Next time, maybe spending more time running an effective GOP campaign with ideas, structure, discipline and inspiration might make a difference in the next election. You can keep blaming and pointing fingers but the reality is that the GOP didn’t have a strong Presidential Ticket that was a fit for our current political climate. The other side did…Obama changed the electoral map…black, white, republican, democrat, men, women voted for him in the end. Red State Blue State didn’t matter…just look at Indiana and Virginia.