Or, More Likely, “Leftism”
Alright, folks — here’s where I draw the line of distinction between “leftism” and “liberalsm”. It’s just NOT “okay” to go around using your hacking prowess as the group called “Anonymous” apparent did (Source: Gawker) to invade the privacy of ANY Citizen of these United States, regardless of their political wackiness as in the case of a VERY nice lady by the name of Sarah Palin, or their their country of origin or bi-partisan (i.e., McCain-Kennedy) political stance on dangerously wide-open borders and blanket amnesty for illegal aliens, as is the case with her new boss, Señor Juan Sidney McCain Paŕa Èl Presidenté.
While it appears SOME of the content of Señora Palin’s PRIVATE emails MIGHT actually be in violation of laws governing the conducting of official State “bidness” outside of the public domain, THIS “Liberal” (capital “L” on purpose) feels any such evidence should be completely discarded as it was obtained in a manner, which violates the civil liberties of a fellow Citizen. PERIOD.
Dear readers, this is exactly WHY I am proud to be independently “Liberal”; the Democratic Party has allowed itself to become the opposite of what it claims to stand for today: “liberalism”; a proud word that derived from another equally awesome word called “Liberty”. Today’s LEFTISTS who call themselves Democrats are of the Authoritarian, “Nanny Stater” variety who are in a constant, “Big Brother Knows What’s Best For You” battle with the equally, repugnant Republican Party who would love nothing more to triumph Authoritatively over The People with their disgusting “Police State”.
Is this what the DEADLY “game” of politics in this 21st Century has come down to? We no longer have ANY party advocating for the protection of our civil liberties — just two power-hungry MOBS who are willing to stoop to ANY low just to get ahold of our tax dollars and utilize law enforcement to keep us in line with their Authoritarian, anti-LIBERTY values? I’m afraid so, friends.
This is one Liberal, amongst many I’m sure, who is absolutely, 100% disgusted by the “leftists” who prefer to put their politics ahead of personal privacy and liberty. This coming from no fan of Señor Panama John, too. Next time, try demonstrating a tad bit of class, please.
BOO-HISS.
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Other worthy blogger reactions; both sides of the political divide: Don Surber (Right) says the Secret Service might wish to pay a visit to Gawker; Taylor Marsh (Left) says this just proves Sarah Palin is trying to skirt public records laws just like President Bush has done; Wizbang (Right) says this is an example of Palin Derangement Syndrome; Michelle Malkin (Right) tells us how it all went down; Balloon Juice (Middle) stings the Righties by reminding them their mantra is, “If you haven’t done anything wrong, you don’t have anything to hide“; Hot Air (Right) points out this likely has nothing to do with the Democrats or liberals, but probably just a bunch of bored kids entertaining themselves; FoxNews (FAR-Right) points out this is just “the latest of a series of invasions into Sarah Palin’s personal life“…
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9:24 pm on September 17th, 2008 1
Kudos, GTL, Kudos. Of course, I didn’t expect anything different from you.
Of course, you know that the hard core left will hate you for this.
9:32 pm on September 17th, 2008 2
Yes, excellent read!
9:36 pm on September 17th, 2008 3
Great post. Leftist have nothing in common with Classic Liberals.
9:48 pm on September 17th, 2008 4
McCain On The Palin Email Hacking, Plus A Question For Barry…
By now, most people know about the hacking of Sarah Palin’s email account, along with family members account. You can start with Michelle and Memeorandum. And on to the Mac attack
“This is a shocking invasion of the governor’s privacy…
10:56 pm on September 17th, 2008 5
Anonymous is not even a group. They are everyone posting without a name on the internet. We are all potentially Anonymous. Why is this so hard for people to grasp? There is power in that.
That said, Anonymous does not always equal /b/ at 4chan, although /b/ is is almost always Anonymous.
Anyone who puts this down to political motivation is seriously head wounded. Are you nuts? Have you actually BEEN to /b/?
Having a Yahoo account is lame. Is Palin stupid for being a public figure with a Yahoo account? Uh, yeah. That’s why the /b/tards did it. It’s not like they care about politics.
12:03 am on September 18th, 2008 6
Hey what if the hacked emails are now tainted and admissible in court? That would be the ultimate in Rovian strategy!! Or have I gone to far in my paranoia….
12:59 am on September 18th, 2008 7
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2:06 am on September 18th, 2008 8
Appreciate the “kudos”, y’all –
To Anon and James — thanks for giving your “other side” of the equation from the “other side” of the story. I value it greatly and appreciate your going out of the way to distinguish your independence from the MOB known as the Democratic Party AND that other one known as the Republican Party.
That said — please don’t hack me. I’d hate to have to make a couple of phone calls to my “Skull and Bones” Police State buddies (whom I love frequently arguing with and taking to task WAYYY behind the scenes) to have you tossed into the clink with a cellmate named “Bubba”. If you doubt this is a possibility, I encourage you to read some of the Insider Predictions” made here and leave you to make up your own minds
Not a threat; just that I’m perceiving either a threat on your end, or more likely, an attempt on your ends to “set the record straight” and claim your political independence; a stance THIS blogger, or any OTHER blogger couldn’t admire more.
I just ask you to remember — put liberty FIRST and corrupt politicians will fall by the wayside
Thanks again for weighing in. We appear to have the same end-destination in common — just different journeys to arrive there. Shall we agree to keep “Bubba” out of our lives though? He’s a real jackass and has never seen a boo-tayy he doesn’t wanna “tap”. I hate people like that, don’t you?
2:31 am on September 18th, 2008 9
a few points:
1) Alaska Has the similar laws against the use of private email addresses to conduct government business by Public officials. It’s illegal.
1a) it’s very clear that the email account was being used to conduct government business of some sort in clear violation of the law.
2) because law enforcement was not involved in the acquisition of said evidence, the courts have previously ruled that such evidence is not ‘tainted’ and permissible in court. there are a number of cases where hackers obtained information illegally, and forwarded the information to different law enforcement agencies, which used the information to obtain search warrants, arrests and convictions. Which were upheld in court.
3) The email accounts were deleted later in the day, to the best of my knowledge Sarah Palin is currently being sued. Thus the deletion of the accounts could invoke sanctions against Palin. (typically it’s considered an auto loss, and in this case the plaintiff would receive maximum compensation due to the destruction of evidence.
4) She has not been placed under oath WRT Troopergate, so I don’t think she’d be at risk of any sort of Perjury charges WRT email on the yahoo account(s). However, she is under serious risk from being investigated for point 1.
5) I believe Yahoo has a retention policy. So despite the destruction/deletion of the email accounts, there should be a method in which *all* emails received (and possibly sent) in at least the last 6 months from the yahoo accounts can be retrieved. Because the evidence is not considered tainted, Law enforcement can now subpoena to recover all email from said accounts to gather evidence WRT Point 1.
It may seem strange that in the eyes of the courts, illegal activities by a private citizen that uncover evidence of other illegal activities is considered admissible. but that’s the way the courts have ruled time and again.
it may not amount to anything as people may choose not to pursue a criminal complaint, but there is a legitimate case to be made that Palin broke State Laws.
8:33 am on September 18th, 2008 10
I’m not being Anonymous here. You have an email address. Don’t be so snarky.
This isn’t an “other” side to the matter. It’s looking at the matter *without* politics. The reason I am saying this is because people keep calling Anonymous a group. Anonymous isn’t a group. There’s no political cohesion. We are ALL potentially Anonymous when we post on the Internet. You are Anonymous.
That’s what people don’t get. Anonymous is about the overwhelming power of numbers. It’s about safety in numbers. It’s what most citizens have forgotten as we bow to those in power and what the people /b/ finally remembered.
It’s a double edged sword, but it’s what we have left.
8:38 am on September 18th, 2008 11
This is what has always frightened me about the Left. The nice rhetoric about privacy and individual rights only extends until one becomes inconvenient, and then no consequence is considered too harsh. This a prime example. Y’all pitch a hissy fit over just the possibilty that someone may be intruded upon by the government in search of terrorists( something I agree with BTW), yet when a private citizen has exactly that happen, albeit not by the government, you excuse it because….why? She had it coming? She disagrees with you politically? According to y’all it’s okay because these unknown hero’s of the republic may have revealed some pissant violation of the law? Imagine, a government worker using their e-mail account for private e-mails. I’m shocked. I say, let’s force all government employees to open their e-mail accounts to this kind of investigation, starting with Senators Obama and Biden.
I find it to be no small coincidence that the only time in my life that the Federal Government used military force to kill it’s citizens was under a Democratic administration. I’m sure all those women and children had it coming too.
11:31 am on September 18th, 2008 12
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11:42 am on September 18th, 2008 13
Chuck, I responded to you on another thread yesterday. I agree this was wrong. I’m curious as to what Democratic administration you are referring to. I seem to remeber students being gunned down at Kent State under a Repuglican administration. Also, since the war in Iraq was based on lies, Bush is guilty of the murder of every American soldier and Iraqi civilian in this bulls4!t conflict. Anything less than death for these war criminals is a mockery of justice. They need to become active participants in the return of public hangings.
12:42 pm on September 18th, 2008 14
Chuck, I’m just curious why you want to start with Obama and Biden’s emails, why not Bush Cheney Scooter Rumsfeld?? Far more interesting information there I would think, plus no one was never really held accountable for the Plame leak which if you ask me was a much greater violation of privacy/security than Palin’s Yahoo account being hacked. Also illegal btw. The Bush admin has set the standard for non-accountability. If Obama’s email had been hacked I doubt you would have posted.
1:19 pm on September 18th, 2008 15
I think we should all just be able to agree that hacking someone’s e-mail, anyone’s e-mail, is a crime and has no place in a political campaign or anywhere else.
Those who participated in the act, before, during, or after the fact are all co-conspirators and all should be prosecuted. And I honestly don’t care if it were Obama, Biden, President Bush, or Left Coast – it is a criminal act and those who were involved should be punished.
It is really hysterical that the lefties would try to pin it on Karl Rove. Probably the same people who believe President Bush was responsible for 9/11.
1:25 pm on September 18th, 2008 16
Left Coast-Dream on, Bush/Cheney Emails are gone/executive privileged ’till way beyond when Cheney has assumed room temperature.
The Email hacking is something that needs punished-I believe the nerds were just proving they could do it. Maybe wrist bracelets that moniter finger and wrist motion.
Alaskan’s appear to be more pissed about outside intervention(McCain’s Truth Squad, or whatever they call themselves)- than they are about the investigation. Apparently Monegan is very well respected by most Alaskan’s and resent the McCainites name calling and mudslinging of him
3:09 pm on September 18th, 2008 17
F&B- Bush was responsible for 911 (Senior, not Junior).
3:57 pm on September 18th, 2008 18
LC
I dare say that you underestimate me. For all the torment I give to y’all Lefties, I would complain every bit as loud had this happened to Sen Obama or Sen Biden. The simple fact is that someone from the Left actually did this, and it is absolutely wrong. Period. Had someone from the right done this, it would be just as wrong. Period. To even try to bring the current administration into this is at best disingenuous, and at worst a sad distraction. I merely mentioned the Democratic candidates in the context of government employees making their e-mail accounts public. I hesitate to speak for GTL, but I dare say he would he support my comments vis-a-vis illegal spying on anyone.
G
I was speaking of the Clinton administrations assault on the Branch Davidians. I purposely did not include Kent State because that was a mistake by the Ohio National Guard in responding to a demonstration turned riot. Which is not to excuse that act BTW, but it was ordered by the Governor of the state, rather than by an official of the presiding federal administration. I’m currently unclear on which party the governor belonged to, but it is not applicable here.
4:56 pm on September 18th, 2008 19
I hear ya Chuck and it should be illegal no matter who and how and by which party. I just thought it interesting that the expample chosen was Obama. But I don’t underestimate nor do I disagree with everyone here who thinks it was wrong.
As far as Troopergate the real travesty is the system was actually working until the political parties got hold of it. Here you had a 4 repub 2 democrat committee authorize the investigation and Palin willing to cooperate which to me at least says something about her perceived innocence or at least a sense of ethics. Hey Bipartisanship at work, how about that! Now there is no good outcome no matter how it spins.
5:34 pm on September 18th, 2008 20
Eh-I’m a pretty hardcore leftist, but I’m not a criminal. I wouldn’t have bothered to break into Sarahpoleon’s email account, and I certainly wouldn’t advocate that others do such things.
Having said that, you might drop by for a look at how “nice” a lady Sarahpoleon is
And as someone who has been in this Dogforsaken Webmastering business for over 10 years now, I’ll offer everyone a little advice.
NEVER send anything over a email account like Yahoo or Hotmail that you would be afraid to stand on a street corner and shout. I hate it, but that is the world we live in. What happened to Sarahpoleon can happen, and most likely WILL happen, to YOU.
5:48 pm on September 18th, 2008 21
Lets be clear, over at Talk Left they have this narrowed down to one guy with a computer so please don’t lump all of us lefty leaning and YES Liberal with a capitol “L” in the group of one single person.
There were two people breaking the law here, one was the Governor of Alaska with a private email account to conduct state business, the other was one guy with a computer. Did you ever wonder who is going to be prosecuted for breaking the law? I’m guessing that the hacker will face a courtroom judge and the Governor will get a pass for deleting private email accounts used to conduct government business for the State of Alaska.
Nice tush, you get a pass Sarah!
GTL, stop soft balling her just because you went to school with her! Put “Dick Cheney” into the same words in your posts that deserve “Sarah Palin” then realistically tell us how you feel!
Hugs to ya bro but you are way off on this one and the real issue. She broke the law just as much as the hacker did!
5:51 pm on September 18th, 2008 22
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5:52 pm on September 18th, 2008 23
Catch the McCain Spain connection that has now been moved to South America Bro! His words, not mine.
5:52 pm on September 18th, 2008 24
Richard Nixon I mean Sarah Palin doesn’t know what she’s doing anymore…John McCain’s wheels have fallen off sooner than I thought…
5:54 pm on September 18th, 2008 25
Chris Matthews of Hardball MSNBC creamed the Virginia Rep Senator yesterday:
Chris Matthews berates Rep. Cantor (R-VA) for running away from Republican policies:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/17/chris-matthews-berates-rep-cantor-r-va-for-running-away-from-republican-policies/
5:57 pm on September 18th, 2008 26
As many times as she changed schools, who HASN’T been to school with her?
6:02 pm on September 18th, 2008 27
wow…it got taken down already…try this link:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HsuKXO_McNE
6:06 pm on September 18th, 2008 28
the main video I’m looking for is no where to be found…it’s been taken down…imagine that!
7:38 pm on September 18th, 2008 29
Matt
So there is no gradation in breaking the law? By your reasoning if I break the speed limit I’m the same as a murderder. Outlandish, I admit, but that’s what I conclude from your statement. Here in the south, most of us would call this chicken sh*t. What this actually proves is that anyone that would condone this in any way is completely without honor and cannot be trusted in any fashion. Perhaps you’ve heard of the two wrongs thing.
I look forward to hearing from y’all the next time federal wire-tapping comes up. Sure it’s not right, but as long the victim was up to something it’s okay…right?
8:43 pm on September 18th, 2008 30
Chuck,
I believe I may have lead you to the wrong thought, both people in this case should be investigated to the fullest extent of the law. The hacker broke the law relevent to hacking her email and Sarah Palin broke the laws of Alaska by using a private email to do government business and then deleting the accounts! I apologize if I lead you astray.
So whom do you think will be honestly prosecuted for breaking the laws that they did… EACH?
9:54 pm on September 18th, 2008 31
Hey girardia, actually… everybody knows it was the failed policies and inept actions of Bill Clinton’s administration that led to the 9/11 attack.
Nice try though. Groovy man (wow, I haven’t said that in a few decades)
Good points Chuck. Mat has been more anti- lately than he used to be. The thing is, if it is found that Obama himself is responsible, I’m sure he’ll be congratulated for creating a new “change” policy. Then he’ll be invited back to the View and Baba Wawa’s toughest question will be “How did you become so incredible?”
Hey, Springer fan, who are you and what did you do with DaveM???
As this Presidential race heats up, we all have to remember that we’re all Americans, the world is watching, and if the whole spectrum of world politics was 10 feet long, democrats and republicans would be about 6 inches apart.
Peace.
10:00 pm on September 18th, 2008 32
oh Fandb, I’m just a guy eating popcorn watching the JohnMcCain ticket implode using their springer like tactics that make me proud!
10:06 pm on September 18th, 2008 33
Sarah Palin for President!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/18/the-palin-mccain-administ_n_127567.html
JMAC bit off more he can chew…I’m not a cheerleader of hers but she’s defintely not a push over…he’s got problems.
12:38 am on September 19th, 2008 34
F&B-I’m no great Clinton fan but it’s well documented that his team made it very clear that Bin Laden was going to be a problem, and that either out of gross ineptitude or in complicity with Bin Laden, Bush and his team completely ignored them. Either way, it happened well into his watch and was completely his responsibilty. Efforts to pin this catastrophic failure on Clinton are ridiculous, but I must admit that painting themselves as the only ones who would be able to protect us after failing so miserably to do so was some of the most amazing political trickery and slight of hand in America’s history. Of course, the right wing media machine (that laughably calls itself liberal) was complicit in this duping of the average low information right wing voter.
I heard somewhere that the hacker was the son of a Democrat in Tennessee or some southern state. Whoever it was, I hope they bust him good. I guess I also hope that it leads to disaster for Palin in some way too.
12:50 am on September 19th, 2008 35
Hey girardia, actually… everybody knows it was the failed policies and inept actions of Bill Clinton’s administration that led to the 9/11 attack.
Actually with that statement I’d say everyone knows that you are doing little more than trolling.
12:55 am on September 19th, 2008 36
Thank God I thought I was going insane. I have no idea what happened to the democratic party I knew, its been hijacked by a bunch of pro stalinist fascists. If they don’t like what you’re saying they attempt to silence you or destroy you at any cost.
1:08 am on September 19th, 2008 37
I don’t support the hacking. But I do think it’s pretty ironic that she used a Yahoo account to keep those emails private, and now some of those emails are splashed all over the web.
But content of exposed emails = yawn
8:45 am on September 19th, 2008 38
Anyone who thinks they are anonymous when surfing the internet should think twice. GTL Im sure has provisions to do a trace route of your ip address when you post here.
A trace route will narrow down your existing IP address to who your IP provider is and what city you are from. Once the ip address is obtained then it is nothing to begin port sniffing on your IP address and perhaps gain access to your computer using to nice features.
Additonally someone would have to know Sarah Palins address in order to figure out how to hack her address. By knowing this information one could carefully attempt to send her keylogger spyware embedded in email which could then capture and send an email to the perpatrator with email name and password and Voille.
Anyone who surfs the internet is at risk of being raped. Its only the fact that there are a billion people surfing the internet that keeps most of us safe.
As for me. When I surf the internet I use proxxy servers so that no one can trace my IP address and I get no annoying adds on google that tells me the high school I graduated from is having a class reunion next month. And I have 37 email addresses that forward my email from one account to the next to the next and to the next all using encryption techniques and when the email is forwarded it is deleted from the previous email account.
Most people just think that by not telling someone who their name is they are safe needs to rethink that theory when surfing the internet.
9:45 am on September 19th, 2008 39
g and LC: No need to re-hash the whole discussion again. The failure of Clinton’s “foreign policy” to contain global terrorism is well documented. Clinton’s failure to respond effectively to other Al Qaeda attacks against the U.S. and her interests are also well documented.
11:54 am on September 19th, 2008 40
F&B said:
“As this Presidential race heats up, we all have to remember that we’re all Americans, the world is watching, and if the whole spectrum of world politics was 10 feet long, democrats and republicans would be about 6 inches apart.”
Wow.I mean,like WOW. I’m stunned into relative silence by your sudden bi-partisanship, and that’s a place I don’t visit often.
Matt
Didn’t really mean to sound shrill there, but this whole “blame the victim” thing is a crock. I find it interesting that folks who would say Gov. Palin was naive or irresponsible to get her account hacked, are the same folks that would excuse those who default on their legal finacial obligations as victims of “predatory lending”.
While we have not usually agreed on much in the past, I’ve always respected your civil debate.:-)
11:55 am on September 19th, 2008 41
Compass, very well said…
12:33 pm on September 19th, 2008 42
F&B. Like I said. I’m no fan of Clinton.
If we were to base how the response to Palins hacking on how she treats rape victims I guess she’ll be getting the bill.