UPDATE BELOW — 8:30 PM, CST — A scathing reaction by Andrew Sullivan of The Daily Dish
This morning, the New York Times‘ Scott Shane, David Johnston, and James Risen reveal the chilling (but we cannot say shocking) tactics of the Bush “Gub’mint” to side-step the law in order to torture “terr’r” suspects at will in their comprehensive piece entitled “Secret U.S. Endorsement of Severe Interrogations“. It IS a “must read” for any American who values a human life and a law abiding, humane Government.
It turns out the President’s signing statements are NOTHING compared to his secret, Executive-created “laws” (sounds unconstitutional, doesn’t it?) that, before this piece, were unknown to the American Public. As I read this piece, I kept wondering when the President’s impeachment procedings would begin, and why isn’t the FBI crawling all over the White House, rounding up the suspects yet? And – before I drop a couple of “snippets” — and, before the possibility of impeachment is brushed off, I would also ask my fellow Americans to read the article and then tell me how this should NOT be grounds for impeachment when lying about having oral sex (President Clinton) and eavesdropping on a bunch of Democrats at the Watergate Hotel (President Nixon) ARE impeachable offenses…
Some “snippets” now:
“WASHINGTON, Oct. 3 — When the Justice Department publicly declared torture “abhorrent” in a legal opinion in December 2004, the Bush administration appeared to have abandoned its assertion of nearly unlimited presidential authority to order brutal interrogations.
But soon after Alberto R. Gonzales’s arrival as attorney general in February 2005, the Justice Department issued another opinion, this one in secret. It was a very different document, according to officials briefed on it, an expansive endorsement of the harshest interrogation techniques ever used by the Central Intelligence Agency.
The new opinion, the officials said, for the first time provided explicit authorization to barrage terror suspects with a combination of painful physical and psychological tactics, including head-slapping, simulated drowning and frigid temperatures.
Mr. Gonzales approved the legal memorandum on “combined effects” over the objections of James B. Comey, the deputy attorney general, who was leaving his job after bruising clashes with the White House. Disagreeing with what he viewed as the opinion’s overreaching legal reasoning, Mr. Comey told colleagues at the department that they would all be “ashamed” when the world eventually learned of it. …”
GTL Comment: Disagree, Mr. Comey — this is a SHAMELESS Administration. Look for the DISGRACEFUL Rush Limbaugh to “rush” to the President’s defense on this one, broken of course, to the [ahem... "traitorous" NYT] by a bunch of “phony Soldiers” “phony Republicans”…
Some more:
“… When he stepped down as attorney general in September after widespread criticism of the firing of federal prosecutors and withering attacks on his credibility, Mr. Gonzales talked proudly in a farewell speech of how his department was “a place of inspiration” that had balanced the necessary flexibility to conduct the war on terrorism with the need to uphold the law.
Associates at the Justice Department said Mr. Gonzales seldom resisted pressure from Vice President Dick Cheney and David S. Addington, Mr. Cheney’s counsel, to endorse policies that they saw as effective in safeguarding Americans, even though the practices brought the condemnation of other governments, human rights groups and Democrats in Congress. Critics say Mr. Gonzales turned his agency into an arm of the Bush White House, undermining the department’s independence.
The interrogation opinions were signed by Steven G. Bradbury, who since 2005 has headed the elite Office of Legal Counsel at the Justice Department. He has become a frequent public defender of the National Security Agency’s domestic surveillance program and detention policies at Congressional hearings and press briefings, a role that some legal scholars say is at odds with the office’s tradition of avoiding political advocacy.
Mr. Bradbury defended the work of his office as the government’s most authoritative interpreter of the law. …”
GTL Comment: “Most authorative interpreter of the law”, Mr. Bradbury? How about…
BZZZT!!!
Mr. Bradbury — that would be the job description of THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, Sir…
These people are TWISTED:
“… The policies set off bruising internal battles, pitting administration moderates against hard-liners, military lawyers against Pentagon chiefs and, most surprising, a handful of conservative lawyers at the Justice Department against the White House in the stunning mutiny of 2004. But under Mr. Gonzales and Mr. Bradbury, the Justice Department was wrenched back into line with the White House. …”
(Snip!)
“… But in July, after a monthlong debate inside the administration, President Bush signed a new executive order authorizing the use of what the administration calls “enhanced” interrogation techniques — the details remain secret — and officials say the C.I.A. again is holding prisoners in “black sites” overseas. The executive order was reviewed and approved by Mr. Bradbury and the Office of Legal Counsel. …”
(Snip!)
“… From the secret sites in Afghanistan, Thailand and Eastern Europe where C.I.A. teams held Qaeda terrorists, questions for the lawyers at C.I.A. headquarters arrived daily. Nervous interrogators wanted to know: Are we breaking the laws against torture?
The Bush administration had entered uncharted legal territory beginning in 2002, holding prisoners outside the scrutiny of the International Red Cross and subjecting them to harrowing pressure tactics. They included slaps to the head; hours held naked in a frigid cell; days and nights without sleep while battered by thundering rock music; long periods manacled in stress positions; or the ultimate, waterboarding.
Never in history had the United States authorized such tactics. …”
GTL Comment: Okay, let’s just THINK for a moment — in future conflicts, the way we treat OUR prisoners will set the precedence for how our own troops are treated by our enemies. If you think this brutal, illegal treatment of our enemies is acceptable, then you have ZERO legs to stand on when the enemy inflicts this level of BRUTALITY upon your son, daughter, husband, wife, or friends in uniform. Is this such a “good idea” now?
More:
“… “We were getting asked about combinations — ‘Can we do this and this at the same time?’” recalled Paul C. Kelbaugh, a veteran intelligence lawyer who was deputy legal counsel at the C.I.A.’s Counterterrorist Center from 2001 to 2003.
Interrogators were worried that even approved techniques had such a painful, multiplying effect when combined that they might cross the legal line, Mr. Kelbaugh said. He recalled agency officers asking: “These approved techniques, say, withholding food, and 50-degree temperature — can they be combined?” Or “Do I have to do the less extreme before the more extreme?”
The questions came more frequently, Mr. Kelbaugh said, as word spread about a C.I.A. inspector general inquiry unrelated to the war on terrorism. Some veteran C.I.A. officers came under scrutiny because they were advisers to Peruvian officers who in early 2001 shot down a missionary flight they had mistaken for a drug-running aircraft. The Americans were not charged with crimes, but they endured three years of investigation, saw their careers derailed and ran up big legal bills. …”
GTL Comment: Yes, that’s right, my fellow Americans — you TOO can become a victim of the Bush gulags. Still a “fan”?
A few more:
… “the torture memo” after it was leaked, was written largely by John Yoo, a young Berkeley law professor serving in the Office of Legal Counsel. His broad views of presidential power were shared by Mr. Addington, the vice president’s adviser. Their close alliance provoked John Ashcroft, then the attorney general, to refer privately to Mr. Yoo as Dr. Yes for his seeming eagerness to give the White House whatever legal justifications it desired, a Justice Department official recalled.
Mr. Yoo’s memorandum said no interrogation practices were illegal unless they produced pain equivalent to organ failure or “even death.” …
(Snip!)
“… The doubts at the C.I.A. proved prophetic. In late 2003, after Mr. Yoo left the Justice Department, the new head of the Office of Legal Counsel, Jack Goldsmith, began reviewing his work, which he found deeply flawed. Mr. Goldsmith infuriated White House officials, first by rejecting part of the National Security Agency’s surveillance program, prompting the threat of mass resignations by top Justice Department officials, including Mr. Ashcroft and Mr. Comey, and a showdown at the attorney general’s hospital bedside. …”
(Snip!)
“… If President Bush wanted to make sure the Justice Department did not rebel again, Mr. Gonzales was the ideal choice. As White House counsel, he had been a fierce protector of the president’s prerogatives. Deeply loyal to Mr. Bush for championing his career from their days in Texas, Mr. Gonzales would sometimes tell colleagues that he had just one regret about becoming attorney general: He did not see nearly as much of the president as he had in his previous post. …”
(Snip!)
“… Mr. Bradbury appeared to be “fundamentally sympathetic to what the White House and the C.I.A. wanted to do,” recalled Philip Zelikow, a former top State Department official. …”
(Snip!)
“… While waiting to learn whether he would be nominated to head the Office of Legal Counsel, Mr. Bradbury was in an awkward position, knowing that a decision contrary to White House wishes could kill his chances.
Charles J. Cooper, who headed the Office of Legal Counsel under President Reagan, said he was “very troubled” at the notion of a probationary period.
“If the purpose of the delay was a tryout, I think they should have avoided it,” Mr. Cooper said. “You’re implying that the acting official is molding his or her legal analysis to win the job.” …
(Snip!)
“… In any case, the White House grew comfortable with Mr. Bradbury’s approach. He helped block the appointment of a liberal Ivy League law professor to a career post in the Office of Legal Counsel. And he signed the opinion approving combined interrogation techniques.
Mr. Comey strongly objected and told associates that he advised Mr. Gonzales not to endorse the opinion. But the attorney general made clear that the White House was adamant about it, and that he would do nothing to resist.
Under Mr. Ashcroft, Mr. Comey’s opposition might have killed the opinion. An imposing former prosecutor and self-described conservative who stands 6-foot-8, he was the rare administration official who was willing to confront Mr. Addington. At one testy 2004 White House meeting, when Mr. Comey stated that “no lawyer” would endorse Mr. Yoo’s justification for the N.S.A. program, Mr. Addington demurred, saying he was a lawyer and found it convincing. Mr. Comey shot back: “No good lawyer,” according to someone present.
But under Mr. Gonzales, and after the departure of Mr. Goldsmith and other allies, the deputy attorney general found himself isolated. His troublemaking on N.S.A. and on interrogation, and in appointing his friend Patrick J. Fitzgerald as special prosecutor in the C.I.A. leak case, which would lead to the perjury conviction of I. Lewis Libby, Mr. Cheney’s chief of staff, had irreparably offended the White House. …”
(Snip!)
“… “We are likely to hear the words: ‘If we don’t do this, people will die,’” Mr. Comey said. But he argued that government lawyers must uphold the principles of their great institutions.
“It takes far more than a sharp legal mind to say ‘no’ when it matters most,” he said. “It takes moral character. It takes an understanding that in the long run, intelligence under law is the only sustainable intelligence in this country.”
Mr. Gonzales’s aides were happy to see Mr. Comey depart in the summer of 2005. …”
(Snip!)
“… In a frequent practice, Mr. Bush attached a statement to the new law when he signed it, declaring his authority to set aside the restrictions if they interfered with his constitutional powers. …”
(Snip!)
“… Mr. Kmiec, the former Office of Legal Counsel head now at Pepperdine, called Mr. Bradbury’s public activities a departure for an office that traditionally has shunned any advocacy role. …”
(Snip!)
“… John D. Hutson, who served as the Navy’s top lawyer from 1997 to 2000, said he believed that the existence of legal opinions justifying abusive treatment is pernicious, potentially blurring the rules for Americans handling prisoners.
“I know from the military that if you tell someone they can do a little of this for the country’s good, some people will do a lot of it for the country’s better,” Mr. Hutson said. …”
Again — WHERE IS THE FBI? Why aren’t these “players” in handcuffs while they mount their legal defenses? And AGAIN — what more ammunition do the GUTLESS Democrats on Capitol Hill need before they grow a collective “pair” and IMPEACH PRESIDENT BUSH for his “high crimes and misdemeanors” if not his proven incompetence in carrying out his duties as the President of The United States?
I’ve had ENOUGH of this Administration and I’ve had ENOUGH of the gutless Democrats who are standing by and allowing these dangerous people to remain free and on the loose in our society today while also allowing my fellow, ordinary Americans to be rounded up and tossed into prisons for tossing a couple of pot seeds into their gardens and smoking the results? Where is the justice in that?
DISPICCABLE… absolutely DISPICCABLE and OUTRAGEOUS. If you’ll do nothing else, please remember these facts when the 2008 elections finally roll around. TAKE BACK AMERICA.
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UPDATE: This scathing reaction is from conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan:
“After reading the full investigative piece in the NYT today on how this administration decided on breaking America’s historic ban on torture and then pursued a long, corrupting policy of ensuring that the interpretation of the law was politicized to keep torture alive, it is hard to disagree with Marty Lederman… ”
(Snip!)
“… the relentless, sustained attempt to make torture permanent part of the war-powers of the president, even to the point of abusing the law beyond recognition, removes any benefit of the doubt from these people. And they did it all in secret – and lied about it when Abu Ghraib emerged. They upended two centuries of American humane detention and interrogation practices without even letting us know. And the decision to allow one man – the decider – to pre-empt and knowingly distort the rule of law in order to detain and torture anyone he wants – is a function not of conservatism, but of fascism. …”
(Snip!)
“… There is no doubt – no doubt at all – that these tactics are torture and subject to prosecution as war crimes. We know this because the law is very clear when you don’t have war criminals like AEI’s John Yoo rewriting it to give one man unchecked power. We know this because the very same techniques – hypothermia, long-time standing, beating – and even the very same term “enhanced interrogation techniques” – “verschaerfte Vernehmung” in the original German – were once prosecuted by American forces as war crimes. The perpetrators were the Gestapo. The penalty was death. You can verify the history here.
We have war criminals in the White House. What are we going to do about it?”
If I may attempt to paraphrase what Andrew is saying by using an analogy — he isn’t doubting the President’s patriotism at all. He is pointing out that just because you and a friend decide to go to rob a liquor store to feed your friend’s starving children out of desparation and your friend shoots the clerk, it doesn’t mean you are not both guilty of armed robbery, murder one, assault with a deadly weapon, etc.; and it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be held accountable…
EXACTLY my point, too. KUDOS to Mr. Sullivan and the rest of my fellow Americans, whom, despite the fact they may lean to the “right” of me ideologically speaking, are equally as TORQUED OFF as the rest of us…
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Thanks again to my great friend Matthew O’Keefe of Papamoka Straight Talk for linking in
The blogger reaction to Andrew Sullivan’s reaction to the original NYT story can be found at MemeOrandum -









11:51 am on October 4th, 2007 1
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12:47 pm on October 4th, 2007 2
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2:37 pm on October 4th, 2007 3
GTL said “in future conflicts, the way we treat OUR prisoners will set the precedence for how our own troops are treated by our enemies” — If that were true, then based on the way Clinton’s administration treated them, Al Qaeda should be feeding their prisoners (our people) Tea and Biscuits instead of Cutting Off their Heads on video and posting it on the internet.
5:46 pm on October 4th, 2007 4
F&B, while I agree with you that we could be treating detainees/prisoners/terrorists (choose your label) like royalty and it wouldn’t affect one bit how the radical islamists treat our soldiers, citizens, or any other prisoner they claim.
I ask you though, should we not hold ourselves to a higher standard, simply because it’s the right thing to do (regardless of what our enemy does)??
Torturing is a higher standard than beheading prisoners on video, but should we let our enemies determine the standard we abide by? I don’t think we should aim for a lil higher standard than what the enemy does.
Terrorists aside, there are nations out there that follow our lead and follow our example. Somehow I don’t think torture is an example we want others to follow.
6:30 pm on October 4th, 2007 5
OK Maverick, now I’m BUSTED. I didn’t address the larger issue, only the comment that our treatment of prisoners affects the way our enemies treat our soldiers.
Yes, I do believe that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, regardless of what our enemies do. But I also believe that we should be careful about how we define unreasonable levels of interrogation or “torture”. Is hot/cold exposures or loud music REALLY “TORTURE”??? What do the Geneva Conventions allow in the way of interrogation techniques?
So while we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, we can’t let that standard cripple us, or tie our hands needlessly.
10:15 pm on October 4th, 2007 6
Maverick, the perspective of waterboarding a criminal like KSM who masterminded 911 as well as other terrorist acts doesn’t bother me if it saves lives. The guy deserves much worse!
This whole thing is trial by the media, with hoaxers like Dana Priest and Risen trying to keep AQ’s activities from complete defeat! [that'll get a rise out of GTL!]
Seriously, I get a kick out of being lectured to by a bunch of countries like Germany and Russia who should really keep their mouths shut as to US CRIMES. Given their own Gulags and Dachaus with millions of innocent prisoners while we get screamed at for mistakenly doing a rendition on a Canadian!
Clinton lowered the US’s guard so low that 911 could work. Billy Jeff is a vain lil dude who can’t wait to be the Roving Ambassador with the rovin’ eye. In the meantime, our defenses will be weakened by Jamie Gorelick whittling away at the FBI/CIA in the DoJ. Much worse than anything AG AG ever did.
11:29 pm on October 4th, 2007 7
I won’t disagree that some may deserve to be tortured. But I think stooping to that level will do more harm in the long run than good.
11:36 pm on October 4th, 2007 8
That could be true. However, the Dems may be harming their own cause if down the road they have diminished the power of the presidency to the extent that the US is self-hobbled in opposing terrorist plots. These plots have nothing to do with who’s in the WH and, having lived in three Arab countries and speaking/reading Arabic fluently, I know that no matter what the US does to throttle back its fight against AQ & Iranian Basanjis, the region’s nutjobs will regard American leniency with prisoners as softness & weakness. They’ll redouble their efforts, you can count on that.
2:42 am on October 5th, 2007 9
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12:02 pm on October 5th, 2007 10
I won’t disagree that some may deserve to be tortured. But I think stooping to that level will do more harm in the long run than good.
Agreed, history is rife with examples of things done “In the name of…” ,”for the sake of”. We can color inhumane treatment any way we want and call it whatever we want. We are supposed to be better. I was taught that heroes don’t hit first, only bullies.
For every alleged terrorist that we waterboard, we lose a piece of our soul as a country. I say “alleged” because that’s the way our justice system works, if it’s “justice for some” and not for others than we become just like every penny-ante wannabe junta and dictator.
Physical torture has been proven to be ineffective anyway.
7:30 pm on October 6th, 2007 11
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