We’re back to that “Rush Limbaugh” versus “phony Soldiers” thing again…
In defense of their talk radio hero, Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds now counter that Senator Tom Harkin (D) is a “Fake War Hero…” because “He was a pilot, but never went to Vietnam.” Hmm. Sounds familiar, YET — I don’t recall Malkin or Reynolds claiming President Bush is a “Fake War Hero” for the same reasons they use to SLAM Senator Harkin.
It’s easy enough to bash people who garner the courage to head off to bootcamp and don the uniform and serve HONORABLY in whatever capacity during a time of war, but then again; it’s MUCH harder to actually HEAD off to bootcamp and don the uniform during times of war than it is to type a bunch of personal attacks on one’s blog about those who do. This is exactly what Malkin, Reynolds and the rest of them are doing right now in defense of their “shock jock”, draft-dodging hero, Rush Limbaugh.
Rush Limbaugh himself, Michelle Malkin, Glenn Reynolds, and the rest of the dittoheads out there continue to stick up for, and defend a man who bashed HALF of the U.S. military by calling the liberals amongst US “phony Soldiers” for opposing THIS Commander-In-Chief’s “Troop Surge” plans.
When in uniform, we “phony Soldiers” “left-leaning military personnel” serve with DIGNITY AND HONOR, without questioning our orders, without questioning those who delegate them to us, and with PRIDE in our ability to separate “politics” from REAL “service” to our countrymen and women, yet — because the right-wing pundits have elections to influence, they choose to BASH us for having a difference of opinion when it comes to our individual preferences in the waging of war. Must be NICE to be an armchair general from the comfort of your Lazy Boy recliner, eh?
In case you missed it — I’m a “phony Airman“. And, I do NOT demand an apology from these people, I simply wish to refrain from supporting the advertisers of Rush Limbaugh’s show until he DOES apologise…
You all do what you will.
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UPDATE: Speaking of supporting the troops (all of them – even liberal ones) and their families — our friend, Kyle, of Comments From Left Field, has kicked his Fisher House fund raising effort into fourth gear. Click HERE to read the latest and if you can’t whip out that wallet, at least send an email to the “Michelle Malkin” types to raise their awareness of the campaign to provide a place for the families of fallen troops to lay their heads…
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4:07 am on October 2nd, 2007 1
I suppose we can forgive your imbecility as your spelling and use of “airman” indicates some Canadian pedigree, and thus mental retardation as well as moral degeneration.
But GWB never claimed to be a war hero, as Kerry [with three scratches in three months] and Harkin did during an unsuccessful political campaign. Just admit that Harkin is a fraud ala Kerry and you’ll be pardoned. Is it snowblindness or just too much breakfast bacon?
4:46 am on October 2nd, 2007 2
[...] House Michelle Malkin: Phony Soldier Goes After Draft Dodger (Paraphrased) » This Summary is from an article posted at The Gun Toting Liberal™ — Slightly left of center… [...]
6:37 am on October 2nd, 2007 3
Rather than discuss the topic Dave it seems easier for you to “Armchair” insults at the real players of this serious topic.
As for Senator John Kerry, he did not have to enlist. No, he was not drafted either. He signed up! He served! And yes he did serve in Vietnam!
Step back behind the yellow line and let the adults argue the merits of the topic.
7:22 am on October 2nd, 2007 4
Kerry and Harkin never made sailors aboard a carrier sit out at sea, delaying their return to their families, so they could land on the deck and walk across “ala” Top Gun, as if he’d just returned from the last sortie, to gain political capitol.
9:17 am on October 2nd, 2007 5
daveinboca: “I suppose we can forgive your imbecility as your spelling and use of “airman” indicates some Canadian pedigree, and thus mental retardation as well as moral degeneration.”
Okay, dave — that’s a free one for you — NO PERSONAL ATTACKS ALLOWED on this blog. Attack the message all day long; never the messenger.
That said, here’s a personal spelling lesson for YOU: in proper American English – the word “Airman” is spelled exactly the way you see here and in the article, AND, it is CAPITALIZED. Same with “Soldier”, “Marine”, “Sailor”, etc., just so you don’t embarrass yourself on other blogs
So — here’s a re-cap: when you see somebody making a statement such as “I am an Airman”, since, to the best of my knowledge, the word “Airman” is only capitalized in America, it would indicate they are both educated as to how the word is properly spelled, AND an American; not a Canadian.
Glad to be of some help for you, daveinboca, and thanks for your comment
You see — that’s the point, by the way — daveinboca is doing the same thing Rush Limbaugh has been doing for YEARS — “Support the troops”, blah, blah, blah — until somebody from the left reveals they are a troop, then it’s all about bashing them, muting them, denigrating them, accusing them of being liars, cowards, theives, or whatever. Hannity, Limbaugh, and almost ALL of the other Right Wing Christian Talk Radio Armchair Warriors have been doing this consistently since they’ve been on the radio. They support the troops until a troop disagrees with them and they reveal themselves, just as daveinboca has, to be in support of ONLY RIGHT-WING TROOPS, leaving the other half of the military out of their “prayers”. Ole’ “daveinboca” has probably got himself a “W” sticker on one side of his rear SUV window and a yellow “Support The Troops” sticker on the other side, but does he REALLY support the troops? Read his response to me HERE for the conclusion on that one…
10:51 am on October 2nd, 2007 6
Wouldn’t worry about Daveinboca; he’s something like a roaming troll.
You got off easy, he called me a child of Satan.
Thanks for the help man.
10:52 am on October 2nd, 2007 7
Oh, and to be clear, I mean troll in the technical term relating to blogs, and in no way meant that as a personal attack.
10:56 am on October 2nd, 2007 8
LOL @ “Child Of Satan”, Kyle!!!
11:05 am on October 2nd, 2007 9
Yeah, well, I had to correct him.
I’m not a Child, just a minion:http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2007/06/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-satan-but-were-too-christian-to-ask
12:38 pm on October 2nd, 2007 10
I bet daveinboca would say that former Sen. Cleland was also a “phony Soldier…”
You are so right on. These conservative pundits should stop politicizing the military and trashing liberals who have served their country.
12:39 pm on October 2nd, 2007 11
There is an epidemic of shamelessness in this country, and daveinboca has a bad case of it. Best to get innoculated before the disease progresses to outright “evil,” although in some cases, it’s too late.
12:41 pm on October 2nd, 2007 12
I was in Vietnam a year & a half, and never heard someone call himself an “Airman,” at least at the Vinh Long base in III Corps. Flyboy maybe or blue-suitor, but never “Airman.” So I just doubt your background. And the spelling I was referring to was “apologize,” which is the Brit/Canuck version of “apologize.”
I never called Kyle a “Child of Satan,” but did jokingly refer to one of his readers as one of “Satan’s Children.”
Take a deep breath, Kyle, and count to nine….don’t want to sprain your brain!
12:50 pm on October 2nd, 2007 13
I meant “apologise” as the Brit/Canuck version. And if I’m “shameless” for pointing out that Rush was slammed by lyin’ Harry Reid [who says RL's listenership is diminishing, as it climbs above 30 million] for calling a creep like MacBeth a “phony,” then the word has no meaning.
Rush is on AFR, which I listened to for over a year, because he is popular. Do you think Randi Rhodes would be popular?
And Suzanne, you are contemptible for calling someone defending a comment about guys pretending to be soldiers “shameless.” And Harry Reid & Tom Harkin are worse, especially Harkin for faking Vietnam service. At least Kerry was there for three months or so. Even if his Purple Hearts have never been examined as he refuses to allow his Naval Records to be released as he promised to do so over two years ago.
This whole thing is a ruse to attack talk radio, as conservatives outnumber “liberals” in this country 5 to 2, as the Zogby, Pew, Gallup & Rasmussen polls have shown over the last year and a half.
Liberals constantly prevaricate, and can’t defend their positions, so talk radio’s constant exposition of their silliness really gets in their craw.
2:21 pm on October 2nd, 2007 14
“Airman” comment aside, daveinboca makes a valid point that, GTL, if you’re gonna argue Malkin and Reynolds are overlooking Bush in terms of a “fake war hero,” then you should also consider the reality that Bush has never sought to represent himself as a war hero, whereas both Kerry and Reynolds have. Right or wrong, there’s a distinct difference between calling Reynolds (maybe Kerry too) a fake war hero and calling Bush one. “War hero” implies one saw combat.
Can Reynolds, never having seen combat, be a “war” hero? Can Bush, never having seen combat, be a “war” hero? Should either of them represent that he is a “war” hero? Which one did? Hmmm…
2:27 pm on October 2nd, 2007 15
haha, woops….substitute “Harkin” for “Reynolds” for most of that [sheepish grin].
2:42 pm on October 2nd, 2007 16
The world is full of attention whores. It is inevitable some find there way here to gain attention by petty nit picking and personal attacks.
3:36 pm on October 2nd, 2007 17
Actually, buffalo, it’s called gut-checking when a guy uses a term like “Airman” when every guy at the base in Vinh Long Air Base, the largest field south of Saigon, never once used the term in the mess I used to dine in with guys flying Cobras and Hueys into the Parrots Beak.
And when he spells the word “apologise,” I assume he’s a Commonwealth member and not a US veteran. When I see Harkin fake his credentials & Kerry vastly overstate his war experiences, I think back to guys who really did get hurt in Vietnam, including a Marine Captain friend of mine who got three wounds & rejoiced, only to find that they upped the number to six before he could go back to the “World.” So he got three more up in Khe Sanh in short order, and not by trying to be hit. He lives just up the road from me in Palm Beach & can’t go through airport metal detectors without setting off the alarms.
I carried an M-79 grenade launcher with anti-personnel configuration for ten months in the boonies, then was NLD Advisor in Vinh Long which meant flying all over the Delta [Mekong]. My predecessor set off a mine & was badly injured. They set the land mines at 175 lbs. so that US advisors & grunts would set off the paddy dike mines.
Yeah, I must be an attention whore to be angry when the Swift Boat Captains called Kerry a shirker and Goldbricker. They served a year or two or more and this silly freak goes home and claims grunts are committing atrocities & gets a political career sucking up to manslaughterers like Fat Teddy Whoremonger.
Maybe I’m just pissed off that Rush gets his chops examined by a wuss like Harry Reid and a fake-Viet vet like Harkin when Rush meant freaks & impostors like MacBeth & other bloggers from KUWAIT!!! Maybe it’s not for the attention. Maybe it’s righteous indignation.
3:50 pm on October 2nd, 2007 18
It’s funny how someone can go into how one person, with a contravening point of view, isn’t credible (an “Airman” whose background is “suspect”) in order to defend someone with the same point of view who ABSOLUTELY is not credible (draft-exemptingly butt-boiled Limbaugh).
4:11 pm on October 2nd, 2007 19
davinboca – Maybe things were different when you were in ‘Nam, but I don’t know of a single Airman who ISN’T proud to be an “Airman”. You find one in today’s Air Force, send him or her my way. I’m not saying you wouldn’t find one, I’m just saying I have never met one who didn’t beam in pride for EARNING the term “Airman”. In bootcamp, you don’t get to be called “Airman” until you graduate. ‘Til then, it’s “trainee” — demeaning.
A few more things – I’m not claiming to be a “war hero”; never have. The closest I came to Baghdad was flying over it at night, otherwise, I was a half hour away by plane from Iraq. I still lost a fair bit of my hearing and I missed my wife and home for the entire year I was called away, so I think it’s pretty disgusting to be making fun of our men and women who serve in Kuwait and other areas considered “combat zones”. I’ve never been to Kuwait, but I’m sure it’s a DRAG to be stationed there when you’d rather be at home with your loved ones. As for your doubt that I’m an Airman — too bad — I am (IRR right now) — and I don’t care if you don’t believe it either
Last but not least — I’m sorry if my Bush reference was misunderstood — it wasn’t to bash the President for his military service, it was to point out the hypocrisy of “the outraged” who’re attacking Sen. Harkin for the same reasons they were “outraged” over the left’s attacks of the President. These men earned Honorable Discharges, leave ‘em alone — they’re war vets — PERIOD — and it’s not easy serving in the military during times of war, no matter what your job is…
4:19 pm on October 2nd, 2007 20
I’m going to apologize to davinboca for my “shameless” comment as it was, obviously, personal and lent nothing to the discussion. Thanks for not chastising me, GTL … if that is your real name.
As for John Kerry’s military records, he did in fact authorize their release. In June. Of 2005.
4:23 pm on October 2nd, 2007 21
I never said I didn’t believe you were an airman, but when I was in the Gulf War [yep, as International Editor of the Oil Daily in Riyadh], I attended dozens of briefings and the term was broadly used by the British, seldom by the Americans. And “apologise” is the brit/canuck spelling, you have to admit that.
And when I said phony soldiers in Kuwait, I meant the recent New Republic flap about one soldier, not all active servicemen in theater or in-country. But you’re pretty fast with the misapprehensions and twisting of other’s meanings. That’s cuz you’re a liberal, and like Harkin and Reid, always twisting what people like Rush & Bill O’R say and taking their words out of context. Part of your smear mentality—learned it from the Bolshies, I guess.
And War Mule, Rush Limbaugh is more credible than Harkin, because Rush never claimed to be someone he wasn’t. Nor did George Bush. The BIG LIE is a lefty specialty.
4:25 pm on October 2nd, 2007 22
“As for John Kerry’s military records, he did in fact authorize their release. In June. Of 2005.”
Suzanne, funny how those records were only released to the Boston Globe, and have never emerged from their vaults! Just a fancy lil artful dodger, that John Kerry.
4:31 pm on October 2nd, 2007 23
No,Dave, ‘apologise’ is the CORRECT spelling. The language is called English and not American for a reason. It’s ours, and so hte corrct spelling is ours. Congrats to the GTL for being one of the few Colonials who still has pride in his mother tongue.
4:31 pm on October 2nd, 2007 24
And yes, hte is now the correct spelling, too. Honest. No, I wouldn’t try and lie to you. Whooops.
4:35 pm on October 2nd, 2007 25
I know you weren’t bashing the President’s military service. I was merely trying to point out that I think the issue of whether Sen. Harkin is a “war hero” or “fake war hero” is entirely different from Bush’s military service.
You said that you “don’t recall Malkin or Reynolds claiming President Bush is a ‘Fake War Hero’ for the same reasons they use to SLAM Senator Harkin.” Well, that’s because the circumstances are very different — because Bush never represented himself as some war hero as Harkin has done.
The reason Harkin was referred to as a “fake war hero” was because he lied about his military experiences and built up his image as a war hero, NOT because he didn’t physically fight.
4:39 pm on October 2nd, 2007 26
Uh, I seem to remember Bush landing on the deck of a ship, whose sailors’ reunion with their families was delayed by his stunt, just to strut across the deck like a Top Gun extra. Seems like he was going for a pretty specific image there.
If you can show me where Harkin or Kerry said, “I’m a war hero,” I’ll go to bat for you on that through the rest of the discussion. Otherwise, your boys Bush and Limbaugh avoided service, while you, GTL, and I didn’t.
And now you’re spending your time defending their right to attack those who serve. I would think someone who served would be more reluctant to let fellow vets be attacked by draft-dodgers.
I took the time to attack Move On for their stupid ad, why can’t you do the same to Limbaugh?
4:42 pm on October 2nd, 2007 27
At this time, I would like to give a HUGE “Kudos” to the many right-wing bloggers who’ve stepped up to the plate to bash Rush for his VERY insensitive comments, including a great many of the far-right Milbloggers…
5:21 pm on October 2nd, 2007 28
“If you can show me where Harkin or Kerry said, “I’m a war hero,” I’ll go to bat for you on that through the rest of the discussion.”
Kerry strutted & had his house-boys & choir singing his war exploits. Harkin misrepresented his war record. Neither Bush nor Rush ever tried to exaggerate their service or being rejected for service.
It’s called hypocrisy in Kerry’s case and misrepresentation in Harkin’s case.
And Rush’s comments were nowhere VERY insensitive—he made it clear he was talking about the creepy MacBeth fellow right away. It was talk radio.
MoveOn’s ad in the NYT was a monstrous lie debunked by the Washington Post & afterwards disowned by the NYT ombudsman—a crime, not a VERY insensitive comment, differing in kind and degree from a talk radio comment about phony bloggers.
GTL, you can’t handle the truth!
5:38 pm on October 2nd, 2007 29
I’ve heard it said that when one does ass/u/me it is almost inevitable they set themselves up to be wrong.
The Nam was over a long time ago. I don’t know if Kerry earned those Purple Hearts or not. If he didn’t, he wasn’t the only one. As someone pointed out he did serve his country in the US Military – something over 70% of our current politicians didn’t do.
Considering the Canadians have been our allies for a very long time I find the remark, “indicates some Canadian pedigree, and thus mental retardation as well as moral degeneration,” more than a little specious. Canadian warriors are fighting and dying in Afghanistan. More than one of those lads that have been brought home in a body bag died as the result of “friendly fire” from our guns.
Last time I checked the Canucks spell “apologize” the same way we spell it, with the Z (zed), not an s.
It is very difficult to bash the President’s Military service. There seems to be damned little of it to bash.
As far as gut checks – sounds more like attention getting hyperbole and we all know that hyperbole is the politically correct way of saying “BS.”
6:07 pm on October 2nd, 2007 30
Ok,, Buffalo, I’ll show you the biggest example of BS in the entire history of draft-dodging.
Look, you’re practically on the border if you live in your epoynymous town. Let’s just say they’re good hockey players. And a lot of Commonwealth Canucks do spell the old-country way, up in Ottawa.
At least George W. Bush actually did fly an F-102, unlike his cowardly draft-dodging predecessor, who retired the cup about avoiding danger and sucking up to power—Fulbright in this case. And that Rather pathetic guy thought he could fake documents that would “prove” something about GWB!
Last time I checked, Kerry still hadn’t released his records to anyone but the Boston Globe—what a revelation! The Globe will sit on them forever.
GWB actually did serve, unlike lyin-under-oath Billy Jeff.
“The Nam was over a long time ago.” And so why do the numb-nut lefties keep bringing up GWB’s service when they have the BIGGEST draft-dodger in US history strutting around conning simple-minded lefties [sorry for the tautology].
3:06 pm on October 3rd, 2007 31
I am not sure if this will contribute much to the discussion, but it might clarify a few things.
I was not in the Army, but it is my understanding that the copter pilots in Vietnam were Army aviators, usually with the rank of warrant officer. True, the Air Force utilizes helicopters, but the combat aircraft, especially the Cobras, were strictly Army.
During my time in the Air Force, one was defintely an “airman,” even the women oddly enough. I don’t know if that linguistic goof was ever straightened out, but the ranks were (then) as follows: airman, airman first class, sargeant, staff sargeant, tech sargeant, etc. Technically speaking, the lowest wing-wiper to the AF Chief of Staff were all “airmen.”
I was touring an air museum last year when a volunteer attached himself to our group and pointing at an F-102, told me that President Bush flew that type of aircraft and “you can’t be chickenshit and fly one of those whatever Kerry and his people say.”
Not having come to discuss politics but to enjoy the aircraft, as politely as I could pointed out that President Bush flew the F-106 (similar to the F-102 but unlike it, was supersonic). I pointed to an F-4 Phantom and RF-101 Voodoo next to it and told him that the men who flew those over North Vietnam weren’t chickenshits either.
Whatever my opinion of George W. Bush as a president, one cannot take away from the fact that what he did in flying was very, very dangerous.
Which is, like it or not, more than anyone can say about Rush Limbaugh.
10:46 pm on October 3rd, 2007 32
GTL- Maybe in the future, it’d be easier to disregard those with the “imbecility” and “retardation” not to read the rules for posting, rather than arguing over whether Kerry and Harkin are as full of crap as Bush and Limbaugh (probably not much of a stretch, anyways) and what the national origin of “airman” is.
12:01 am on October 4th, 2007 33
Good point, W/M… good point
11:52 am on October 4th, 2007 34
It seems that MLJ has put this to rest, not only the rhetoric, the diversions, and the stupid side arguments about who’s Canadian (what the Volkswagen did that have to do with anything?!?!). It took good careful work and patience, too, as I know I didn’t have all that in me. Here’s what I do have in me:
I’m ashamed, right now. I’m ashamed that the commitment I made, that GTL made, that MLJ made, that daveinboca made, to our fellow servicmen and women, appears to have been a lie. It was my understanding, from everything I experienced in every horrible place I went, that we stood together, first. That no matter what our differences, we would not allow eachother to be exposed to threats from the outside.
In this instance, every man and woman whose service in defense of this country takes precedent over political ideology. Unfortunately, some are so incapable of unwrapping themselves from Limbaugh’s umbilical chord long enough to see clearly that’s what we’re faced with.
Brothers in arms meant more than just on the battlefield’; if it hadn’t, we’d still have VA hospital conditions like those during Viet Nam (oh, wait, I guess they dropped the ball on that, too).
Under no circumstances would I ever allow a draft-dodging slimebag, who did lie about his service (it wasn’t his famous “football” knee that kept him out, it was an anal cyst, one which was never examined by military doctors before he got his “Get Out of Nam Free” card), question the service, patriotism, or motivation of a fellow vet or servicemember. It was my understanding that that commitment was universal, but I’ve learned here that’s not necessarily the case.
Thank you to MLJ and GTL for preserving my overarching faith in spite of that realization.
12:56 pm on October 4th, 2007 35
War Mule
Your silly post above just demonstrates that you still don’t get it. The rhetoric about Limbaugh is designed to get silly supporters of cut and run to slobber on-line as you have done about Rush, who was talking about “phony soldiers” like MacBeth and the New Republic creep blogging about injured female soldiers. I guess you don’t have any problem with phony soldiers like them, do you, because they support you and the GTL readers’ desire to lose.
Limbaugh made an offhand comment. Soros-cide collaborators like Media Mutters made it into a crusade against Limbaugh using fake allegations. Pavlovian mutts, or should I say muletas, like War Mule, carried the MM poison and continue to support snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Harkin is a liar, Reid is a sniveling coward, and Limbaugh is better than both of those creepy losers.
1:04 pm on October 4th, 2007 36
daveinboca
That you regard commitment as silly has not been lost on me.
1:08 pm on October 4th, 2007 37
Whatever that’s supposed to mean. You are committed to failure, that’s for sure… and for maligning GWB even though he did fly jet airplanes whereas your hero Billy-Jeff went to Senator Fulbright to try to get a “special deferment” from the draft.
I guess that’s okay if you are a committed coward.
1:11 pm on October 4th, 2007 38
A coward is someone who wraps himself in the warm reassurances of a draft-dodger even when they’re wrong, rather than confront what accepting that blanket for so long means about him.
1:25 pm on October 4th, 2007 39
You mean the warm reassurances of a Bill Clinton, the draft dodger who is and was wrong about so many national security problems? Or if you’re calling me a coward, come out and say it, if you’re brave enough.
Harkin is a slanderer, Harry Reid is a coward, and you’re wrapping yourself around in their cowardly attacks on a talk-radio host. What does that make you?
1:52 pm on October 4th, 2007 40
Those of us who blog here regularly don’t resort to personal attacks, which would have to include “cowardly”, “retardation”, and “imbecility”. Whatever offense you took at that comment is yours and yours alone. I don’t call people cowards and I don’t question their patriotism. That’s your trick, buddy, and it’s a cheap one.
I don’t ever recall having defended Clinton. But then again, he wasn’t the point, was he? Nor was Kerry, Harkin, or any of the other crap that’s fallen onto your keypad the last 3 days. How scatter-brained must someone be to get so TOTALLY off the subject in every single post? You fail, have failed, and will continue to fail to comprehend that only one draft-dodging scumbag is attacking the troops. Or are you so emotionally attached to Limbaugh that you just refuse to admit it?
2:24 pm on October 4th, 2007 41
I’ve actually refuted your argument three or four times over and you keep on digressing with the usual libtard trick of “process crimes.”
Limbaugh didn’t “dodge” the draft, he was deferred. He never lied about anything, including the reason for his deferment, which gives your twisted sense of humor so much churlish fodder. And if I turn on his attackers, you do the “second foul” trick that high-school debaters love so much.
You are totally offbase, and I don’t even like Limbaugh that much, although I’m sure the cartoons between your ears, buddy, are full of projections from your own one-sided take on affairs.
And I actually have a link to my site, which I notice you bravely have not the courage to do.
2:44 pm on October 4th, 2007 42
I don’t know about you, but when I put my cursor over my name here in the comments section, it links to my site. But if that’s too difficult for you, it’s http://www.warmule.blogspot.com
You’ve “actually refuted [my] argument three or four times over”? Yet you’re not comfortable enough to let it be. I had a piece to say this morning that only had to do with the sad truth your defense of Limbaugh opened my eyes to, and now you’re obsessing.
Yes, he was “deferred.” But I don’t recall the DoD having an official “dodger” status, so they say “deferred” for a butt-pimple.
3:08 pm on October 4th, 2007 43
Again, any time you are decisively put back into your padded cell, you yell “process crime” and tried to unlatch those restraints.
The second time I tried, after posting the above, it went to your sad site. The only sad truth my defense of Limbaugh should have opened your eyes is that Media Matters and its Democrat elected ninnies can count on a slew of bloggers to debase themselves attacking Rush.
I know language and thinking, from the evidence on this thread, is not your forte. But Rush was deferred, Billy Jeff dodged and juked and jived and you buy all that. So you have to do your silly dodging and jiving as I again and again proved your mental faculties defective. But you can’t prove to a mental defective that they are off-base because the pimple that you display most prominently is above your neck. Read it again and see if you can sign onto that last paragraph of your sophomoric silliness. Rush was deferred, Billy Jeff dodged. Repeat until it sinks in, as lefties dodge, then make excuses and blame honest citizens for any deferments they may have had. Your deferment must have been an IQ disability. [Oh, so hurtful, another process crime!]
I’m not obsessing. I’m doing a sustained smack-down again and again on a bunch of left-thinking [oxymoron] feverish hysterics who equate a comment on talk radio about a soldier named MacBeth with a MoveOn/NYT conspiracy to deflate the results of the surge. What Limbaugh said was okay by talk-radio standards, as he was referring to two soldiers proven to be lying & using their lies to defame the military and our efforts in Iraq. T
he Media Matters campaign funded by the Soros-cide fever-swampers, yourselves included, by the evidence on this comment thread, demonstrate that reason and logic and evidence have nothing to do with your vitriolic hatred of this administration. Just hatred and emotional disorders of various complexities which lead to BDS abnormal behavior. Check it out. Congress has lower support ratings than Bush. Probably because the Dem leadership is foolish and in Reid’s case, demented.
What is your take on Gen. Petraeus, although thinking and analysis don’t seem to be arrows in your quiver?
8:57 pm on October 4th, 2007 44
Grow up Dave in Boca and look around you. Read a damn newspaper. Your savior in George Bush just busted the Constitution along with his Vice President and former Attorney General. How many laws does he have to break before you are comfortable with saying something is wrong?
Our Constitution is not Liberal or Right leaning, it is the foundation of our country. It is not okay for anyone including the President to defile it. Wake up, take a breath.
9:28 pm on October 4th, 2007 45
I read a lot and I wonder where you get off saying that the President is breaking the Constitution. Actually, AG Gonzalez did the same thing Clinton did under Reno, by firing eight US attorneys, only Clinton fired all 50, including the one in Arkansas investigating him and his spouse for Whitewater. Gee, I wonder why?
But not a peep from the Democratic MSM for that, the Clinton’s were exempt from the Constitution, including lying under oath on TV [but of course, that was okay because it was about sex!]
All this crap in the press about breaking the Constitution never came up under Clinton, who shredded it without complaint from the left-wing media.
I think you’re the one with growing up to do, Matthew.
9:49 pm on October 4th, 2007 46
Janet Reno is a criminal for the WACO -slash- Branch Dividian massacre — her “legacy” forever…
As for the Constitution, Mat is referring to the President’s secret gulags… Havenchya’ heard, Dave?
9:52 pm on October 4th, 2007 47
Dave,
You Sir have a closed mind to debate. Rather than argue what Bush and Cheney are doing now you bring up Clinton? What does that have to do with life in America today? If you do not believe in the Constitution as your arguements presents through this whole discussion then you too Sir are as guilty as Clinton was and Bush! What laws do you propose are okay to be broken by the President and if you okay one law then all laws are cast aside.
Back on topic, Rush Limbaugh is a coward that will never put his money where his traitorous mouth is. His mouth is his paycheck and this American has a right to speak loud and clear when I do not agree with his position. Amen to GTL too!
While some people think it is okay to burn the Constitution I do not. That is not a Democrat or Republican right under any President.
10:07 pm on October 4th, 2007 48
Oh yeah, the secret gulags, I forgot! [PS, terrorists don't wear uniforms, hence are not covered by the Geneva Convention, etc.]
Ah yes, Matthew, I must have a closed mind as I don’t agree with you. Sounds like you’re channeling Saddam. How’s he doing down there in the heat and everything.
I guess it’s okay for MoveOn to call the C-in-C in theater a traitor, but not okay for Rush to call a guy named MacBeth a phony soldier because he claimed to have been in Iraq, but actually flunked out of basic training. MacBeth is being prosecuted for his crime.
Methinks you are another one of those deluded undereducated lefties who claim that someone is changing the subject when they point out the parallels between Dems & Repubs as for behavior. That is called a “process crime” and since the Dems & liberals never do debate the President on the essentials, they themselves always drag in extraneous red herrings, and then claim they’re misunderstood or that the other side is changing the subject.
Childish and sophomoric [in high school] debating tactics. Fun to spank the lil rascals when they try it. When are you graduating and from what high school, Matthew?
10:58 am on October 5th, 2007 49
Problem here is singular vs. plural- Fact- there was a person who was in the military for a brief time who basically “told a whopper” and misrepresented his service. He is now looking at jail time- Jesse whatshisname. then this becomes the springboard for a generic plurality of name-calling, which is entirely baseless and again, is not based on data, but rumor-mongered anecdotes. Hogwash with an extra spin cycle.
How does one “phony soldier” become many? Ad hominem associative attacks, a no-brainer, literally.
To quote the late, great Senator Moynihan:”You are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts”
9:21 am on October 8th, 2007 50
There was also Scott Thomas Beauchamp who faked his Iraq experiences in The New Republic, plus others last year & it has apparently become a cottage industry for some disgruntled grunts [I knew a few in Vietnam] to send back accounts of non-existent or impossible-to-prove atrocities to garner media attention. That’s okay, as long as they are in the line of fire, unlike Beauchamp, who was blogging from Kuwait about his Iraqi exploits.
Rush had been talking about MacBeth & he meant M & Beauchamp, not grunts who were against the war in Iraq.
MoveOn was a well-planned calculated smear and slur of a distinguished American Commander. Limbaugh’s comment was a talk-radio aside hyped up into a tempest in a teapot by a smear campaign by a Soros-cide hired-gun outfit masquerading as a “media watchdog.”